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<blockquote data-quote="alleynbard" data-source="post: 4775394" data-attributes="member: 16220">I am going to echo this statement and say this is the crux of your choice. Both games operate under different assumptions.&nbsp; Therefore both can give you what you are looking for in different ways.&nbsp; Though, as has been stated, neither are going to do the werewolf bard very well.&nbsp; You are going to find roadblocks in both cases.&nbsp; But, with a little work, both games will produce such a PC. There is a little more to it than that, but I am not sure how you want the werewolf to use his powers (can he willfully change, does he know, etc.)&nbsp; so that might help swing the choice.Both games have a strong player base and you are likely to find support no matter what choice you make.&nbsp; There is 3rd party support for both games, 3e has a long history (both good and bad) of that support but 4e is coming into its own, albeit somewhat slowly.&nbsp; You will likely find ample advice for both games here at ENWorld.&nbsp; So, the choice will definitely come down to play style preference.&nbsp; As stated, 3e tries very hard to emulate&nbsp; reality through its rule adjudication.&nbsp; The rules represent &quot;in-game physics&quot;.&nbsp; On the other hand, 4e doesn't always attempt that. Instead, it presents a more cinematic ruleset that almost allows the player to take narrative control on occasion.&nbsp; Especially with those powers that incur forced movement.&nbsp; It is the DM and the player's responsibility to justify that in-game. Meanwhile 3e does a rather good job presenting the basics on how these abilities and spells appear in the created world while still allowing a certain amount of customization.As others have said, I highly recommend you give both games a test drive. And do the same with Pathfinder when it is released.&nbsp; Working with the system is likely the only way you are going to know for certain which you prefer. I have found systems often play very differently than how they read.&nbsp; So a few practice sessions would not hurt a thing.Also, don't make a mistake and not include your players in on the choice.&nbsp; Make sure you listen to what they have to say, help them where you can, and insure they understand the choices the group is making. Nothing kills a game faster than a group of players who are unhappy with what the DM is doing.&nbsp; In fact, if they are new to this hobby as well, this is doubly important.&nbsp; First impressions are everything and you need to make sure they have the proper tools to help make formulate an opinion.Both games fulfill different urges.&nbsp; You see a lot of banter on the subject but neither game is objectively better than the other.&nbsp; Some people just prefer one version over the other.&nbsp; In the end, follow your &quot;fun&quot; and you should be fine.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="alleynbard, post: 4775394, member: 16220"] I am going to echo this statement and say this is the crux of your choice. Both games operate under different assumptions. Therefore both can give you what you are looking for in different ways. Though, as has been stated, neither are going to do the werewolf bard very well. You are going to find roadblocks in both cases. But, with a little work, both games will produce such a PC. There is a little more to it than that, but I am not sure how you want the werewolf to use his powers (can he willfully change, does he know, etc.) so that might help swing the choice. Both games have a strong player base and you are likely to find support no matter what choice you make. There is 3rd party support for both games, 3e has a long history (both good and bad) of that support but 4e is coming into its own, albeit somewhat slowly. You will likely find ample advice for both games here at ENWorld. So, the choice will definitely come down to play style preference. As stated, 3e tries very hard to emulate reality through its rule adjudication. The rules represent "in-game physics". On the other hand, 4e doesn't always attempt that. Instead, it presents a more cinematic ruleset that almost allows the player to take narrative control on occasion. Especially with those powers that incur forced movement. It is the DM and the player's responsibility to justify that in-game. Meanwhile 3e does a rather good job presenting the basics on how these abilities and spells appear in the created world while still allowing a certain amount of customization. As others have said, I highly recommend you give both games a test drive. And do the same with Pathfinder when it is released. Working with the system is likely the only way you are going to know for certain which you prefer. I have found systems often play very differently than how they read. So a few practice sessions would not hurt a thing. Also, don't make a mistake and not include your players in on the choice. Make sure you listen to what they have to say, help them where you can, and insure they understand the choices the group is making. Nothing kills a game faster than a group of players who are unhappy with what the DM is doing. In fact, if they are new to this hobby as well, this is doubly important. First impressions are everything and you need to make sure they have the proper tools to help make formulate an opinion. Both games fulfill different urges. You see a lot of banter on the subject but neither game is objectively better than the other. Some people just prefer one version over the other. In the end, follow your "fun" and you should be fine. [/QUOTE]

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