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<blockquote data-quote="ZombieMaster" data-source="post: 4776172" data-attributes="member: 83558">On some more specific things that were mentioned...&nbsp;I looked into Pathfinder and will def dl the beta. Although I'm a little weary of using an unfinished system for my first time I'll look into it after I consider myself enough of an expert on the 3.5 system to see if it's for me. Certainly some of the skill and class upgrade seems intriguing.&nbsp;I will add looking further into the other rpgs mentioned (C&amp;C, Mutants and Masterminds, World of Darkness, ect) on my to do list (which is growing ever longer). &nbsp;On the werewolf/bard front you guys offered some great advice. And messing with the lycantrophy stuff was the direction I saw myself going in, but the 4e methods do seem interesting. I plan on looking into both. Thanks a lot.&nbsp;As far necromancy goes (and I must admit to a certain pull from the dark arts) it's mentioned in the 3.5 PHB as well as other source materials, but I didn't see anything in the 4 PHB. Is there somewhere else in 4th I could look into for those kind of abilities, or is it something that will come in time?&nbsp;Also some people have mentioned poor balance/play in upper levels of 3.5. I don't think any of my players are looking to abuse the game. But is there any suggested house rules or 3.5 edits on curtailing these things I might want to look into?&nbsp;Thanks in advance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ZombieMaster, post: 4776172, member: 83558"] On some more specific things that were mentioned... I looked into Pathfinder and will def dl the beta. Although I'm a little weary of using an unfinished system for my first time I'll look into it after I consider myself enough of an expert on the 3.5 system to see if it's for me. Certainly some of the skill and class upgrade seems intriguing. I will add looking further into the other rpgs mentioned (C&C, Mutants and Masterminds, World of Darkness, ect) on my to do list (which is growing ever longer). On the werewolf/bard front you guys offered some great advice. And messing with the lycantrophy stuff was the direction I saw myself going in, but the 4e methods do seem interesting. I plan on looking into both. Thanks a lot. As far necromancy goes (and I must admit to a certain pull from the dark arts) it's mentioned in the 3.5 PHB as well as other source materials, but I didn't see anything in the 4 PHB. Is there somewhere else in 4th I could look into for those kind of abilities, or is it something that will come in time? Also some people have mentioned poor balance/play in upper levels of 3.5. I don't think any of my players are looking to abuse the game. But is there any suggested house rules or 3.5 edits on curtailing these things I might want to look into? Thanks in advance. [/QUOTE]

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