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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorPain" data-source="post: 4777221" data-attributes="member: 82012">To the OP, I think your initial assessment of the strengths and short comings in your frist post is basically right. Every fan of 3E is going to tell you your wrong about its shortcomings, and every fan of 4E is going to say your wrong about its shortcomings. But I think you essentially got the consensus. &nbsp;I recommend you try them both. See which works for you. It looks like 3E (in the form of pathfinder and OGL) and 4E will be around for a while. So its just a matter of picking the system that you have the most fun with. Don't worry about why you like one system over the other. Just pick the one you enjoy. Lots of people will try to sell you their idea of what makes an RPG fun to play. This can be useful information to have, but at the end of the day, its about what you like. And the only way to learn that is try both systems. Reading the books will give you an idea, but you really should give them both a whirl. Its also probably a good idea to play with people who know the game. I suggest looking for local gaming groups in your area. Maybe going to a hobby shop that hosts games. It shouldn't be too hard to find people playing either system. &nbsp;Keep this in mind as well: you don't have to lock yourself into one system. You can try 4E/3E for a few months and stop if you don't like it. You can also stop if you like it, to try another system. D&amp;D isn't the only option out there. There are a ton of RPGs. If you are starting your own gaming group, I recommend playing in cycles. PLay a 3-6 month campaign of one system, and then switch to another. You can even cycle DMs. This is a great way to expose yourself to other games and prevent DM burnout. &nbsp;What genres interest you? Have you considered playing other games like Vampire, Savage Worlds, GURPS, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorPain, post: 4777221, member: 82012"] To the OP, I think your initial assessment of the strengths and short comings in your frist post is basically right. Every fan of 3E is going to tell you your wrong about its shortcomings, and every fan of 4E is going to say your wrong about its shortcomings. But I think you essentially got the consensus. I recommend you try them both. See which works for you. It looks like 3E (in the form of pathfinder and OGL) and 4E will be around for a while. So its just a matter of picking the system that you have the most fun with. Don't worry about why you like one system over the other. Just pick the one you enjoy. Lots of people will try to sell you their idea of what makes an RPG fun to play. This can be useful information to have, but at the end of the day, its about what you like. And the only way to learn that is try both systems. Reading the books will give you an idea, but you really should give them both a whirl. Its also probably a good idea to play with people who know the game. I suggest looking for local gaming groups in your area. Maybe going to a hobby shop that hosts games. It shouldn't be too hard to find people playing either system. Keep this in mind as well: you don't have to lock yourself into one system. You can try 4E/3E for a few months and stop if you don't like it. You can also stop if you like it, to try another system. D&D isn't the only option out there. There are a ton of RPGs. If you are starting your own gaming group, I recommend playing in cycles. PLay a 3-6 month campaign of one system, and then switch to another. You can even cycle DMs. This is a great way to expose yourself to other games and prevent DM burnout. What genres interest you? Have you considered playing other games like Vampire, Savage Worlds, GURPS, etc. [/QUOTE]

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