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<blockquote data-quote="Green Knight" data-source="post: 3866949" data-attributes="member: 2723"><p>Yeah, that's the way I've viewed it for years. Just because you roll a miss doesn't mean you actually miss. It can also mean that the other guys armor absorbed the blow. For example, how I used to describe it back when I DMed... </p><p> </p><p>PLAYER: I'm gonna shoot him with my longbow. What do I need to roll? </p><p>ME: You need to beat a 16 or better. </p><p>PLAYER: *rolls* Damn. 11. </p><p>ME: Alright. Your arrow strikes the Anti-Paladin, but it bounces off of his thick suit of full plate, leaving only the smallest of dents in the armor. </p><p> </p><p>So in this case, one can assume that it means that a Fighter with that ability always hits. The question is, does he only land a glancing blow, or does he land a telling blow? </p><p> </p><p>Anyway, as for the classes, the current list appears to be thus... </p><p> </p><p>DEFENDER </p><p>Fighter (Martial) </p><p>Paladin (Divine) </p><p> </p><p>STRIKER </p><p>Rogue (Martial) </p><p>Ranger (Divine) </p><p>Warlock (Arcane) </p><p> </p><p>LEADER </p><p>Warlord (Martial) </p><p>Cleric (Divine) </p><p> </p><p>CONTROLLER </p><p>Wizard (Arcane) </p><p> </p><p>I really like how it's shaping up. If they were to make an Arcane Defender, Arcane Leader, Martial Controller, and Divine Controller, then I'd be filled with a huge amount of glee. I love the idea of one of each type of those characters being represented in every category. It'd be great because you can have a wellrounded party, and have them all be characters with a divine origin. Or hell, have them all be martial in a non-magic setting. A setting which just has Fighters, Rogues, Warlords, and X (A Martial Controller) would be pretty cool. Although how would one have a Martial Controller? How can a guy with no magic get that kind of job done? </p><p> </p><p>Anyway, I doubt that there'll be just the one Controller in the PHB. While I'd rather it just disappear, the Sorcerer is another possibility to fill in that slot. Yeah, it'd make for two Arcane Controllers, but if they can't come up with a Martial Controller that makes sense, then it's better to have a bit more variety there. Although I do like the supposition of some folks around here that the Druid will be a Divine Controller. That'd be sweet. God knows I'd love to have the Druid in the first PHB. I never actually play them, but I like them. They bring a lot to the game and give it a nice bit of character. </p><p> </p><p>But anyway, if I had MY way, then this is how the class list in the first PHB would look like. </p><p> </p><p><strong><u>DEFENDER</u></strong> </p><p><strong>Martial -</strong> Fighter </p><p><strong>Divine -</strong> Paladin </p><p><strong>Arcane -</strong> Hexblade (Or maybe the Spellsword, made into a fullfledged class rather then a Prestige Class) </p><p> </p><p><strong><u>LEADER</u></strong> </p><p><strong>Martial -</strong> Warlord </p><p><strong>Divine -</strong> Cleric </p><p><strong>Arcane -</strong> Sorcerer </p><p> </p><p><strong><u>STRIKER</u></strong> </p><p><strong>Martial -</strong> Rogue </p><p><strong>Divine -</strong> Ranger </p><p><strong>Arcane -</strong> Warlock </p><p> </p><p><strong><u>CONTROLLER</u></strong> </p><p><strong>Martial -</strong> (No clue. Factotum, maybe? Not familiar with the class, so I can't really say. Or maybe a nonmagical Bard? Eh, stupid idea) </p><p><strong>Divine -</strong> Druid </p><p><strong>Arcane -</strong> Wizard</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Green Knight, post: 3866949, member: 2723"] Yeah, that's the way I've viewed it for years. Just because you roll a miss doesn't mean you actually miss. It can also mean that the other guys armor absorbed the blow. For example, how I used to describe it back when I DMed... PLAYER: I'm gonna shoot him with my longbow. What do I need to roll? ME: You need to beat a 16 or better. PLAYER: *rolls* Damn. 11. ME: Alright. Your arrow strikes the Anti-Paladin, but it bounces off of his thick suit of full plate, leaving only the smallest of dents in the armor. So in this case, one can assume that it means that a Fighter with that ability always hits. The question is, does he only land a glancing blow, or does he land a telling blow? Anyway, as for the classes, the current list appears to be thus... DEFENDER Fighter (Martial) Paladin (Divine) STRIKER Rogue (Martial) Ranger (Divine) Warlock (Arcane) LEADER Warlord (Martial) Cleric (Divine) CONTROLLER Wizard (Arcane) I really like how it's shaping up. If they were to make an Arcane Defender, Arcane Leader, Martial Controller, and Divine Controller, then I'd be filled with a huge amount of glee. I love the idea of one of each type of those characters being represented in every category. It'd be great because you can have a wellrounded party, and have them all be characters with a divine origin. Or hell, have them all be martial in a non-magic setting. A setting which just has Fighters, Rogues, Warlords, and X (A Martial Controller) would be pretty cool. Although how would one have a Martial Controller? How can a guy with no magic get that kind of job done? Anyway, I doubt that there'll be just the one Controller in the PHB. While I'd rather it just disappear, the Sorcerer is another possibility to fill in that slot. Yeah, it'd make for two Arcane Controllers, but if they can't come up with a Martial Controller that makes sense, then it's better to have a bit more variety there. Although I do like the supposition of some folks around here that the Druid will be a Divine Controller. That'd be sweet. God knows I'd love to have the Druid in the first PHB. I never actually play them, but I like them. They bring a lot to the game and give it a nice bit of character. But anyway, if I had MY way, then this is how the class list in the first PHB would look like. [b][u]DEFENDER[/u][/b] [b]Martial -[/b] Fighter [b]Divine -[/b] Paladin [b]Arcane -[/b] Hexblade (Or maybe the Spellsword, made into a fullfledged class rather then a Prestige Class) [b][u]LEADER[/u][/b] [b]Martial -[/b] Warlord [b]Divine -[/b] Cleric [b]Arcane -[/b] Sorcerer [b][u]STRIKER[/u][/b] [b]Martial -[/b] Rogue [b]Divine -[/b] Ranger [b]Arcane -[/b] Warlock [b][u]CONTROLLER[/u][/b] [b]Martial -[/b] (No clue. Factotum, maybe? Not familiar with the class, so I can't really say. Or maybe a nonmagical Bard? Eh, stupid idea) [b]Divine -[/b] Druid [b]Arcane -[/b] Wizard [/QUOTE]
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