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<blockquote data-quote="ChimericDream" data-source="post: 3678345" data-attributes="member: 43444"><p>This is definitely a class that shouldn't be "blanket" allowed by GMs. I perceive this as being one of those situations where the GM and player discuss how the PrC will work in their campaign to prevent abuse. It is primarily intended as an NPC class, but there's no reason why a player couldn't take this and have a good time with it.</p><p></p><p>Assets did seem fairly strong to me, but I agree that it could be abused by players. See above for my view on that part.</p><p></p><p>I thought about having the cohorts be treated as two levels lower for the purpose of their cohorts, but that seemed a bit extreme to me. However, I'm interested to know how many other people think the same way. I think I'll also add that the second tier cohorts (and even the first tier, to a lesser extent) spend a large portion of the time not in the presence of the Crime Boss himself. The idea is that they are some of the higher-ups in the organization. That will cut down on the idea of "Hey, we've got five people here... go grab a couple mooks and we'll do some dungeon crawling." (This is an exaggeration, but you get the idea.)</p><p></p><p><strong>Edit:</strong> I went back and looked at the Leadership and Epic Leadership rules. Unless a character has a wickedly high Charisma, the odds are against the character's cohort(s) actually being his level. For example, a level 20 character with 25 Cha has a Leadership score of 27. Even the Skilled Lieutenants ability doesn't add to the leadership score. Therefore, a Crime Boss at 20th level would need the Epic Leadership feat (not available until 21) and a Cha of at least 30 before he would be able to have the cohorts at maximum level. It's even less likely before epic, since the maximum level of a cohort according to the table caps at 17th.</p><p></p><p>I do appreciate the comments, especially the nit picky ones at the top. I wasn't even thinking when I did the skill points thing and the BAB.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ChimericDream, post: 3678345, member: 43444"] This is definitely a class that shouldn't be "blanket" allowed by GMs. I perceive this as being one of those situations where the GM and player discuss how the PrC will work in their campaign to prevent abuse. It is primarily intended as an NPC class, but there's no reason why a player couldn't take this and have a good time with it. Assets did seem fairly strong to me, but I agree that it could be abused by players. See above for my view on that part. I thought about having the cohorts be treated as two levels lower for the purpose of their cohorts, but that seemed a bit extreme to me. However, I'm interested to know how many other people think the same way. I think I'll also add that the second tier cohorts (and even the first tier, to a lesser extent) spend a large portion of the time not in the presence of the Crime Boss himself. The idea is that they are some of the higher-ups in the organization. That will cut down on the idea of "Hey, we've got five people here... go grab a couple mooks and we'll do some dungeon crawling." (This is an exaggeration, but you get the idea.) [b]Edit:[/b] I went back and looked at the Leadership and Epic Leadership rules. Unless a character has a wickedly high Charisma, the odds are against the character's cohort(s) actually being his level. For example, a level 20 character with 25 Cha has a Leadership score of 27. Even the Skilled Lieutenants ability doesn't add to the leadership score. Therefore, a Crime Boss at 20th level would need the Epic Leadership feat (not available until 21) and a Cha of at least 30 before he would be able to have the cohorts at maximum level. It's even less likely before epic, since the maximum level of a cohort according to the table caps at 17th. I do appreciate the comments, especially the nit picky ones at the top. I wasn't even thinking when I did the skill points thing and the BAB. [/QUOTE]
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