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<blockquote data-quote="yennico" data-source="post: 912036" data-attributes="member: 11978"><p>Hello Minaret,</p><p>your PrC looks really good. I really like it.</p><p></p><p>I know you are playing a rog/sor.</p><p>Summon Familiar:</p><p>To meet the requirements of the Tear you need either 2 level Sor, or 1 level wizard Wizard or 1 level Bard with taking the feat Summon familiar.</p><p>So the character who qualifies for this PrC has already a spellcaster level of 1 (Wizard and Bard) or 2 (Sorc).</p><p>The PrC gains spells as a new spell casting class, so a Tear has two caster levels (Bard or Sorc vs. Tear) The caster level of a Rog6/Sor4/Tear10 is either 4 (Sor) or 10 (Tear).</p><p></p><p>You have two options:</p><p>the simple one <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>Drop the requirement for the PrC: summon familiar and give the Tear PrC this feat at first level as bonus feat.</p><p>Then your PC who has one Level Sor, has taken the level Sor for nothing.....</p><p></p><p>or the other: )</p><p>Drop the table spell per day and spells known and add at several levels +1 level existing spellcasting class. Not at every level, but I do not know how much +1 level existing spellcasting class you should add. </p><p>e.g. If you add +1 level existing spellcasting class at every even level a rog6/sor2/Tear10 can cast spells like a 7th level sorcereress (so she has no access to level 4 spells). </p><p>So the rog/sor can gain some Sorcerer levels or a bard some bard levels. </p><p>With this version the Tear PrC can cast more spells as with your spells per day table.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To meet requirements of the PrC the Tear must have two level sor or one level bard.</p><p>A Sor 2 can cast 6/4 spells without any bonus spells</p><p>A Tear gains also bonus spells based on Charisma. So a Sor or Bard/Tear gains twice bonus spells on charisma. </p><p>Assuming a Cha of 20 (with some magic item) a Rog6/Sor2/Tear10 can cast 6+2+4+2 = 14 Level 1 spells....</p><p>I would drop this ability.</p><p></p><p></p><p>How many spells with a “Light, Fire, or Darkness” descriptor do you think a Tear have ?</p><p>Assuming two spell casting levels as Sorceress or Bard has max. 7 known spells (Level 0 and 1).</p><p>I do not know if this is an official rule but my DM allowed that a sorcerer can forget a known spell for some XP costs. I do not know how much this cost was, but I can ask my DM. If this rule is offical you need not describe the rule in the PrC</p><p>I would drop this part of the ability. Shadow´s child is still powerful enough without this feature.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would swap the places of Improved Familiar and Sneak Attack +1D6. This will be necessary if you use the "simple option" described above (then the Tear has the needed spellcaster level 3)</p><p></p><p></p><p>1. You bring new untested abilities and think they will not change the balance ?</p><p>2. This ability is crap. The Tear cast spells like a Sorcerer or Bard. Spontaneous!!!! They do not have to prepare their spells like Wizards. So this ability is not useful to them. I recommend to drop this ability. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Shadow Mask is a Wiz&Sor2 spell. You can not lower the level of the spell. I wrote an explanation about that in a previous post.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Shadow Well and Dark Way. Where are these spells from ?</p><p></p><p>I like your spell descriptions of the renamed spells.</p><p></p><p>Image:</p><p>Where did you get the tables: spells per day and spells known from ? They look really good. </p><p>Assuming you change the requirement of the PrC to the "simple option" (or changing to the "other option") I would say your PrC is very balanced. The PrC is not powerful and has flavor. I really like it. The PrC is not as powerful as the Arcane Trickster or other PrC from other splat books.</p><p>Perhaps I will play test this PrC as NPC in one of my campaigns. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Just my 2 cents</p><p>yennico</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="yennico, post: 912036, member: 11978"] Hello Minaret, your PrC looks really good. I really like it. I know you are playing a rog/sor. Summon Familiar: To meet the requirements of the Tear you need either 2 level Sor, or 1 level wizard Wizard or 1 level Bard with taking the feat Summon familiar. So the character who qualifies for this PrC has already a spellcaster level of 1 (Wizard and Bard) or 2 (Sorc). The PrC gains spells as a new spell casting class, so a Tear has two caster levels (Bard or Sorc vs. Tear) The caster level of a Rog6/Sor4/Tear10 is either 4 (Sor) or 10 (Tear). You have two options: the simple one :) Drop the requirement for the PrC: summon familiar and give the Tear PrC this feat at first level as bonus feat. Then your PC who has one Level Sor, has taken the level Sor for nothing..... or the other: ) Drop the table spell per day and spells known and add at several levels +1 level existing spellcasting class. Not at every level, but I do not know how much +1 level existing spellcasting class you should add. e.g. If you add +1 level existing spellcasting class at every even level a rog6/sor2/Tear10 can cast spells like a 7th level sorcereress (so she has no access to level 4 spells). So the rog/sor can gain some Sorcerer levels or a bard some bard levels. With this version the Tear PrC can cast more spells as with your spells per day table. To meet requirements of the PrC the Tear must have two level sor or one level bard. A Sor 2 can cast 6/4 spells without any bonus spells A Tear gains also bonus spells based on Charisma. So a Sor or Bard/Tear gains twice bonus spells on charisma. Assuming a Cha of 20 (with some magic item) a Rog6/Sor2/Tear10 can cast 6+2+4+2 = 14 Level 1 spells.... I would drop this ability. How many spells with a “Light, Fire, or Darkness” descriptor do you think a Tear have ? Assuming two spell casting levels as Sorceress or Bard has max. 7 known spells (Level 0 and 1). I do not know if this is an official rule but my DM allowed that a sorcerer can forget a known spell for some XP costs. I do not know how much this cost was, but I can ask my DM. If this rule is offical you need not describe the rule in the PrC I would drop this part of the ability. Shadow´s child is still powerful enough without this feature. I would swap the places of Improved Familiar and Sneak Attack +1D6. This will be necessary if you use the "simple option" described above (then the Tear has the needed spellcaster level 3) 1. You bring new untested abilities and think they will not change the balance ? 2. This ability is crap. The Tear cast spells like a Sorcerer or Bard. Spontaneous!!!! They do not have to prepare their spells like Wizards. So this ability is not useful to them. I recommend to drop this ability. :) Shadow Mask is a Wiz&Sor2 spell. You can not lower the level of the spell. I wrote an explanation about that in a previous post. Shadow Well and Dark Way. Where are these spells from ? I like your spell descriptions of the renamed spells. Image: Where did you get the tables: spells per day and spells known from ? They look really good. Assuming you change the requirement of the PrC to the "simple option" (or changing to the "other option") I would say your PrC is very balanced. The PrC is not powerful and has flavor. I really like it. The PrC is not as powerful as the Arcane Trickster or other PrC from other splat books. Perhaps I will play test this PrC as NPC in one of my campaigns. :) :) Just my 2 cents yennico [/QUOTE]
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