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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 1003337" data-attributes="member: 7211">Definitely not ECL +3. Thats way too high.Youve got balanced stats, thats no advantage.Youve got +2 vs fire effects, arguably a little better than most races bonuses to spells, but I wouldn't call this enough to warrant any ECL change.Low-light vision and 30ft movement are standard, no change.Proficiency with Great Axe or Greatsword. Decent advantage, although considering the strength bonus this isnt really more helpful than the regular elves 4 free proficiencies (arguably less helpful). I'd say its a wash or a minor advantage.Favored Class: Barbarian or Sorceror. Its an interesting mechanic, but less powerful than half-elf or human's favored class. I'd say this is a minor advantage.Spell-like Abilities are decent, but they are all 1/day? This shouldn't alter these guys very much. Its definitely a strong advantage, all level 1 or higher spells compared to gnome spells is clearly too good for ECL +0.Cold Vulnerability is rough. Its not a huge disadvantage, but this race doesnt have all together too much rocking it anyway. I'd say this would easily pull down the spell-like ability advantage.Overall I would say its a weak ECL +1, on par with the fire genasi. He has more useful spell-like abilities, but is otherwise the same or weaker (Genasi being outsiders confers many benefits).I would say make them +2 Str, -2 Dex, +2 Con, -2 Int[Ironically these are directly opposite from Living FR's guidelines for making Sun Elves when 3e came out.]I would give them Fire Resistance 5 and take away Resist elements 1/day. Why make their fire hardiness dispellable? Keep produce flame and burning hands 1/day. I would add all the racial elven abilities that havent been changed or replaced. So noticing secret doors, search, spot, and listen bonuses, +2 vs enchantments, and immunity to sleep.Then they would be a medium to strong ECL +1.Technik</blockquote>

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