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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eldritch_Lord" data-source="post: 4365311" data-attributes="member: 52073">I can see where you're coming from; I just disagree and am trying to change your mind.I agree that one shouldn't add new elements to the game without thoroughly thinking them through.  Where you and I differ is that I believe that we have thought them through--we've determined that adding natural attacks/armor (1) fits with the 4e design philosophy, (2) would be balanced with the other available options, and (3) minimally effects the game.  I believe that's all we need to do, and having done that, we can add back natural attacks/armor.Your stance is (as I understand it; correct me if I'm wrong) that (A) we should wait until it's either in the game or a dev gives their opinion on it before adding it, and, failing that, (B) we shouldn't make it an isolated example, like this single race getting it.  To that, I say that (A) it's exceptions-based design, so whether it's in the game or not shouldn't matter after we've completed our analysis (1 through 3 above) and (B) its isolation is what makes it unique, as for instance eladrin wouldn't be nearly as interesting if 3 or 4 races could naturally teleport.You shouldn't give up on a valid point only because we disagree, but I think you're being too cautious with your design instincts because 4e is new and that you can broaden your horizons a bit.</blockquote>