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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 4367819" data-attributes="member: 2167">I personally feel that these are bad arguments. Why?A dragonborn’s breath weapon is a special ability, a breath weapon, not a part of their body like a claw or a bite. Looking at the dragonborn in the MM, none of them get any form of natural weapon attack. They don’t bite, they don’t claw. From the level 5 to level 23 they all use weapons; period.  Minotaurs on the other hand use their horns/gore as an At-Will attack. To my view, any way you want to look at – the minotaur DOES use its gore/horns as a weapon. I already decided to give the option as feats though, but it does follow the pattern that minotaurs have a “natural weapon” even if it isn’t Mechanically coined with that term.  The same argument could go for other creatures.  As you pointed out I agree that Lizardoflk should NOT have a claw or bite attack since NONE of the MM entries have any such attack. They all attack with weapons (spears, clubs, blowgun).  However, there ARE lizardfolk in the MM that use a Tail Slap as an At-Will attack. This IS a “natural weapon” (again even if it isn’t coined with that term), so an argument could be made to give such an attack to a Lizardfolk PC as an Encounter power in the same way Minotaur gets Goring Charge as an Encounter Power from its parent MM entry’s At-Will power.  I would go so far as to say that Lizardfolk could also gain the appropriate bonuses to unarmed attacks based on the use of their tail as a weapon (it does more damage than a minotaur’s horns after all).Another example is the Lycanthrope. They DO have natural attacks. They specifically get a “Bite” attack as an At-Will. This all follows the same arguments as above.  Any way you want to look at it, “natural weapons” do exist in 4E, they are just polished up and tucked neatly into the power system that all creatures use. There is really no reason a creature like a Lycanthrope couldn’t get a racial ability along the lines of this.Bite Attack – Lycnathrope Racial PowerYou use your naturally strong jaws and sharp teeth to tear into your foe.At-WillStandard Action -- Melee 1Target: One creatureAttack: Strength +2 vs. ACHit: 1d6 (or 1d4)+ Strength modifier damage.As for dragonborn getting wings in the MM and not the PHB.  That’s a real stretch. “Technically” it’s true yes. However, the only MM dragonborn that gets wings are the Dragonborn Champions, which are level 26. For a PC that would be part of an Epic Destiny or an Epic Feat.  Since there are no Epic Racial feats yet, or Racial Epic Destinies yet – we can’t really say if a dragonborn PC will be able to get them or not.  I am willing to bet they will. It will come in a following book like the Draconomicon or an Advanced Races splatbook like the “Races of” series of 3X where they do more to deepen and expand on the races.  I am certain we will see splatbook expansions with Racial Feats, Racial Paragon Paths and Racial Epic Destinies.</blockquote>

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