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Message: <blockquote data-quote="redrover" data-source="post: 4386232" data-attributes="member: 70799">On ‘old” Horn Slash: Good points on system break. Sometimes it takes me awhile to inch up the learning curve, but things are getting sorted. The new feat is getting closer to 4e.     Monster weapon proficiency: Hmm…Thought I saw a loose +1 bonus in the MM minotaur write-up a couple days ago. Can’t find it now. It looks like the original find was just brain-fuzz. So weapon proficiency with respect to horns is a non-issue, which means Horn Slash tweaks a bit more:     <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Horn      Slash (Heroic)      Prerequisites: Minotaur, Gore Focus      Benefit: You have trained to use your horns more effectively in      close combat. If you get a melee hit on an opponent against whom you have      combat advantage, you deal +2 points of gore damage.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Special: At 11th level you deal +4      points of damage, at 21st level you deal +6 points of damage.</li> </ul>    The damage numbers work out as follows: The base numbers come from the "+x" bonuses on the DMG p185 Damage Table (using 5th, 15th, and 25th levels), minus the damage bonus for Gore Focus, with which this feat is cumulative.      Unarmed Attacks vis. Gore Proficiency/Gore Focus: I’m missing your point here. The books don’t distinguish between types of unarmed attacks, it’s true, but sometimes the tactical situation will make certain types of attacks impossible: for example, a character caught in quicksand might punch, but couldn’t get off an effective kick; or a minotaur might have his horns lassoed but his legs free.     I’m uncomfortable with the assumption that PCs will always use the most effective attack form with respect to unarmed combat. I consider PC freedom of choice paramount, and that includes the freedom to make a sub-optimal attack. In fact, I think I would prefer the opposite: That, all things being equal, the default choice is sub-optimal – thus requiring player to take a positive action to get the optimal choice.     Finally, as a literalist, I think using “Gore” creates a strong expectation that the attack is specific to horns. If you want a generic unarmed combat bonus, it should just say “Unarmed Combat”.     I’m just not getting exactly how specifying horns (in a gore attack), somehow breaks the feat? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />     Raging Bull, re. Stance power: All this time, and I still haven’t found a page that defines “Stance.” I’m guessing at what it kinda, sorta, might be, but this is starting to drive me a little crazy. You wouldn’t happen to know a page reference, would you?     Feat vs. Power: One thing that has stopped me from looking more closely at new racial powers is that I’m not exactly sure how advanced “monster PC” powers should be presented.     All the core 4e powers seem to be class-based; all monster powers in the MM seem to be basic monster attacks or racial traits (though I haven’t been able to spend much time in this book, yet).     The compromise I’ve been moving toward in this discussion has been “feat unlocks advanced racial power” combined with a swap-in, but I’d be a lot more comfortable if there were other precedents in the published material for this approach.     I’d even be overjoyed to find a non-trait “book” avenue for advanced racial powers that I’ve missed, even though I’d feel a little stupid for not having found it yet.     Natural Cunning: Going with Dungeoneering seems inconsistent with the rest of the class build, since affinity for labyrinths seems to be a savage trait rather than a civilized one. The Maze Intuition feat takes care of exceptional civilized minotaurs crossing the civilized/savage divide.     I like the racial +2 Perception bonus, but would suggest maybe:     <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hunter’s Heritage: +2 Perception,      +2 on saving throws vs. fear.</li> </ul>    This supports above normal senses and above normal stubbornness, both of which I’ve always considered core minotaur racial traits.       Pukunui: Really nice insight!      (*scribbles in “Little Black Book of Design” *)     Do keep us posted. I am really curious about how Ferocity actually plays out for a PC. We’re rooting for your minotaur PC here!     Ta-ta!</blockquote>

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