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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2426800" data-attributes="member: 17296">I LOVED Terry Pratchets little gnomes. Of course, to do THAT you'd have to make them smaller still, give them all mobility (or tumble as a racial "class skill"), and give them a bonus to strength!I don't think that monboesen disagreed with the overall 'power level' of the race, just with the lack of strength penalty. (That was my reading anyhow). And they're not really effectively getting a strength bonus... the size penalties for race building does not automatically include a hit to strength (that just seems to be highly recommended), as they always get a bonus to make up for that additional hit. If you did want to give them a -2 to strength (which would be consistent) then you'd be relatively obliged to give them a +2 somewhere else...  or other additional racial features.Overall, as it is the build seems a pretty strong build, but not approaching dwarfishly strong! A pretty good build overall.Thinking about the int penalty ... racially that's going to be a pretty big thing. This race would make pretty good rogues and wizards, but both of those classes rely pretty highly on intelligence. Which means it's a better sorceror class. And potentially ranger, looking at it from a ranged fighting perspective. If you wanted to allow them to be good melee fighters you'd have to give them a racial +4 to grapple... (to make up for the size modifier), because that's going to be a big issue in melee combat. I think that as written they're best suited to a ranged attack class, so ranger is a good fit for 'favored class'.A racial +4 to grapple? That's a pretty strong ability. I still don't think that would put it in the realm of the all mighty dwarf (IMO one of the most "powerful" +0 ECL races), but it would put it a little closer. (Edit: Maybe only a +2? They'd still be the underdog in a grapple, but at only 1/2 the penalty you'd think they'd be at...)But personally I'd do it. It's not a full bonus feat (not quite improved grapple), but it's close to one.</blockquote>

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