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<blockquote data-quote="Thraka" data-source="post: 2434322" data-attributes="member: 24661">I like this ability... I just think it gives them too much of a good thing.&nbsp; It eliminates yet another penalty due to their small size (leaving reduced weapon damage really their only Small drawback).&nbsp; That seems a bit much to me, though only because the gutterkin have so many other racial traits.&nbsp; It's a good ability, Shane_Leahy, and I might have to find a use for it in another homebrewed race... but that's for another brainstorming session.Kip Up seems too powerful as a racial trait, especially considering that it's an ability that only some prestige classes get.&nbsp; Perhaps a weaker version, where the standing up is a free action, but it still provokes?&nbsp; The bonus to grapple I'm fine with; but like you, I can't quite figure out if it should be a +2 (meaning they're better at grapples than other Small creatures), or +4 (meaning they're as good at grapples as a Medium creature).&nbsp; I'd probably settle for a +2 to grapple checks (and maybe bump that up to a +4 to escape a grapple?) and giving them the ability to stand up from prone as a free action.By all means, please do, please do!&nbsp; I'd love to hear how they work out for you.&nbsp; Heh, and it looks like we're already starting to come up with ideas (such as Wirey Build) for gutterkin subraces.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thraka, post: 2434322, member: 24661"] I like this ability... I just think it gives them too much of a good thing. It eliminates yet another penalty due to their small size (leaving reduced weapon damage really their only Small drawback). That seems a bit much to me, though only because the gutterkin have so many other racial traits. It's a good ability, Shane_Leahy, and I might have to find a use for it in another homebrewed race... but that's for another brainstorming session. Kip Up seems too powerful as a racial trait, especially considering that it's an ability that only some prestige classes get. Perhaps a weaker version, where the standing up is a free action, but it still provokes? The bonus to grapple I'm fine with; but like you, I can't quite figure out if it should be a +2 (meaning they're better at grapples than other Small creatures), or +4 (meaning they're as good at grapples as a Medium creature). I'd probably settle for a +2 to grapple checks (and maybe bump that up to a +4 to escape a grapple?) and giving them the ability to stand up from prone as a free action. By all means, please do, please do! I'd love to hear how they work out for you. Heh, and it looks like we're already starting to come up with ideas (such as Wirey Build) for gutterkin subraces. [/QUOTE]

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