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New race: The Sylvani. And a racial Prestige Class(Edited again)
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<blockquote data-quote="Beholder Bob" data-source="post: 1442762" data-attributes="member: 12866"><p>As I said - if you eye ball it, it comes down to 'this feels like that, I think it is..." You are adding things NOT in the PHB, so how can I compare them w/out resorting to opinion you have already refuted? I said...</p><p>Natural armor is damn fine - too good for the balance</p><p>Speak with plants w/unlimited uses is too good for the balance</p><p>Giving a mental stat adjust requires more balance</p><p></p><p>These above are my compelling reasons.</p><p></p><p>On each of these, you disagree with me - as to the importance and potency of the gain. How can I compare them to PHB races that do not share these traits for comparison - and if we disagree with their fundamental power - we can not agree on what is balanced compared to them. You ask for a presentation of power comparison - but then refuse the only one I can give you (since you haven't used savage species and one does not exist in the PHB). I do not think the race is balanced, am open to discusion on it - but you refuse to consider the only other 2 measuring systems I am aware of. So - if it makes you happy, call them ecl +0. Hell, call them ecl -4 if you want. If we can not agree as to how good natural armor or speak with plants is, for instance - how can we discuss the value of this race?</p><p></p><p>Yes - the PHB races are not too balanced - but since they are core, I work with them. Some races are a bit 'over the top' - this does not mean you should make all new races as tough as the toughest race. Note - the spells are not all 'equal' - mg missile is the absolute top of the power acceptable for spell creation - this does not mean you should make all new spells equal to magic missile - the same goes for the races. That is why I use 4.5 for races.</p><p></p><p>B<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious :]" data-shortname=":]" />B</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Beholder Bob, post: 1442762, member: 12866"] As I said - if you eye ball it, it comes down to 'this feels like that, I think it is..." You are adding things NOT in the PHB, so how can I compare them w/out resorting to opinion you have already refuted? I said... Natural armor is damn fine - too good for the balance Speak with plants w/unlimited uses is too good for the balance Giving a mental stat adjust requires more balance These above are my compelling reasons. On each of these, you disagree with me - as to the importance and potency of the gain. How can I compare them to PHB races that do not share these traits for comparison - and if we disagree with their fundamental power - we can not agree on what is balanced compared to them. You ask for a presentation of power comparison - but then refuse the only one I can give you (since you haven't used savage species and one does not exist in the PHB). I do not think the race is balanced, am open to discusion on it - but you refuse to consider the only other 2 measuring systems I am aware of. So - if it makes you happy, call them ecl +0. Hell, call them ecl -4 if you want. If we can not agree as to how good natural armor or speak with plants is, for instance - how can we discuss the value of this race? Yes - the PHB races are not too balanced - but since they are core, I work with them. Some races are a bit 'over the top' - this does not mean you should make all new races as tough as the toughest race. Note - the spells are not all 'equal' - mg missile is the absolute top of the power acceptable for spell creation - this does not mean you should make all new spells equal to magic missile - the same goes for the races. That is why I use 4.5 for races. B:]B [/QUOTE]
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