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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Phasics" data-source="post: 4477757" data-attributes="member: 38866">hehehe you see my dilema <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Actually your 2nd point has given me an idea. Instead of letting the player control both the Thoc and the Majar perhaps I should limit player to only being able to use the Majar and treat the Thoc more like a Monterous NPC or even Monterous Mount that the DM controls.The Majar player could then have above avg mental stats and below avg physical stats but less severe and since the Thoc now wont get class levels perhaps just some monsterous levels it should fit alot better.Will also give the DM some fun options to exploit the least of which is getting thrown from the Thoc. The DM can even have fun with giving the Thoc some limited dialogue in certain situations perhaps at a crucial moment in a diplomatic meeting MWHAHAHA.Mmmm perhaps the player can choose some Thoc specific feats with monsterous levels tailor the Thoc to his style of play.So Basically you can have an Armourd caster, with Thoc Shielding the Majar orThe Majar Buffer, boosting the Thoc to a Fighter equivalent in combat, teach him to use weapons heheheh</blockquote>