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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2335944" data-attributes="member: 5777">+3 is 'huge', especially for this guy. The halfdragon has a +3 and he gets a lot more than the guy above. The +8 to str alone is worth a whole lot more than the +2 to every stat, and the halfdragon still has more stat bonuses besides.While this is true to a degree, we do have something to compare with: The base books.The comparisons I gave above use them and I think it speaks pretty clearly for that level. If others feel that there are other levels where the abilities will shift hard in one direction or another I'd love to see them. If people are just going to give their opinion without anything to back it up (such as, 'I just feel that there are too many numbers there, cut out half of them and toss on a level adjustment and we'll talk') then I'd like them to look over my examples first to see where they think they have gone wrong or are overpowered.Flavor text is completely unimportant for balance discussions. Rp benefits or drawbacks should not be used to balance actual numbers (this could be done on a campaign by campaign basis, but those are special cases).I have seen some people call various races in the phb the 'ubermunchkin' race (actually, i have seen them all called something like that at one point or another, even the halforc, as crazy as that sounds). First impressions can be right or wrong, but it is always good to actually look a little deeper <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Since many of the LA +1 are only that way because they either have only a slight advantage that it is felt shouldnt be on a LA +0 race or mislabeled I dont think it is a valid comparison. Along with LA +1 being very different than 2 hd gone. The two hd is very similar to LA +2 but it avoids the paper tiger syndrome much easier.Actually, in the case of this guy, I think the numbers can do it very well. There arent many etheral things floating around (like being able to use some uber power but only once per day to completely skew the comparison) and everything essentiall is a number.Also, people can feel it needs whatever LA they feel like, but without something to back it up (as in, what is making them feel that way based on something actually in the game) there isnt any difference between, 'I think it needs a level adjustment of +500' and 'I think it needs a level adjustment of -500'.Gut feelings are all well and good, but they tend to be very campaign dependent and experience dependent within said campaigns. Along with being easily fooled by a number of mundane sources (see mystic theurge example again, which 'can' be numerically shown how strong/weak it is).I am still hopeing that someone can come up with some sort of examples they feel show overpowerdness and how <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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