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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bront" data-source="post: 2336424" data-attributes="member: 19696">I've seen people argue that bonuses to mental stats are much easier to abuse.  Not sure I agree, but I think this race is right up there balance wise with the half dragon. I amI'll use a quick standard example, instead.  Compare an L2 Human Paladin vs an L1 Aassimar Paladin.  The human wins the compairisons in most cases.  Add a few levels, and the advantages that the human has are somewhat nullified by the Aassimar's racial abilites, and the LA+1 becomes less of an issue.  I've told you where I think using your compairison as THE example is a flaw.  You need a bigger sample size.  I specificly disagree with you about your analysis of the feats being week because they are less openended, when the race, as designed, is ment to be psionic.  It's a limiting factor for, say, a normal fighter, but even then, given you can still take psionic feats as you have PSPs to start, it's not as limiting as it could be.  Flavor can be found in the numbers as well as outside the numbers.  Keep in mind, most races do have non-steriotype members.  There are Gnome fighters, Dwarven Wizards, and so on.  And many of the races, while flavored to be better at something, have enough flavor that they bring something unique to every profession.  This race is so psionicly focused, that some of their racial abilities are wasted if you're not a psion of some kind.  My suggetion worked for any class, even though it was better for a psion.  And it gave the race a special something that was different for them to bring to each and every profession.I've only seen one other thing that I would call Ubermunchkin that I commented on, and it was a Mageborn template.  And I tweeked that one enough to add flavor in the numbers, as well as balance it out to were several others liked it, and I may actualy use it.  The problem is when drawbacks are not drawbacks, and when the bonuses are increadable in certain circumstances.  This is close, but I can see your attempt was genuine to make something interesting than to see what you can get away with (which the other one was).  First of all, you refered me to the base books, and I will refer you to them as well.  The EPH races are base races if you use psionics, and they are balanced as such.  You can't brush aside the base stuff you don't like, and use favorably the stuff you do when balancing them.  You need to look at the whole picture.  What you call the "paper tiger" syndrome, most everyone else calls balancing.  I agree that after LA +3 it becomes a problem for PC races, but I think that it generaly does balance out, and that LA is designed to cost full levels, and that is what your template needs.  Using Racial HD only is a way to get around the LA, which I think realy is the problem as to why most people think this is unbalanced, and you get such strong negitive reactions.I look at the numbers, compair them to other races I feel are balanced, and have told you what I come up with.  You disagree with me, and that's fine, it's ultimately your race, and your campaign.  But, you did ask for input, and I'm giving you mine, as are several others.  Nifft knows quite a bit about balance, and has helped me flesh out and balance a few ideas I've posted here.  He told you specificly the most broken things he sees in your proposal, and has blown the rest off because he feels it's so unbalanced that it's not worth his time.  So have several others.  This is why you are getting so many negitive reactions.Try making characters at different levels.  6th, 10th, 15th, and 20th.  See how they compair.  Also, don't forget about how things stack.  You made some genaric characters.  With specific powers, your 1st level psion can manifest a few powers at 4th level for no damage with the overchanel and talented feats (Two psionic feats btw).  It gets even worse at highter levels.  With the bonus to stats, the character gets a flat +1 to hit, damage, dodge, initiative, hp/lv, skillpoint/lv, to each save, all skills, and anything else stat related, compaired to a race with no stat modifiers.  And that's just from the +2s, and does not include the other racial features.  Some of these become more apparant at higher levels, as do some of the other racial abilities.  This is why they should have an LA of some kind.  They basicly get almost all the bonuses of having an extra level or more from their stats.Just trying to give you some helpful input.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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