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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2337686" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>It is a fairly minor benefit that only works when other resources are spent. I just couldnt bring myself to put a full +1 on it for LA.</p><p></p><p>If you had a creature who had no other racial features (ie medium, no special talents, etc) except for just that one ability would they be LA +1? Now, of course that is what the acid test is there to mitigate, but still.. I just couldnt say +1 LA for an ability that takes a number of other resources to be able to take advantage of.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>yep, interesting book. It tries to do something very difficult and succeeds sometimes and fails others.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Roughly equivalent is the goal, but while it is ahead in some ways it is definately behind in others.</p><p></p><p>The, 'it only gets better with every level' has yet to be shown or proven. I know that you lack the material, I am waiting for someone who apparently feels free to say much the same to prove it. If no one feels like showing anything then I'll run with the baseline, which says they are roughly equivalent as you have said.</p><p></p><p>Gut is all well and good, but it is too easy to fool the guy (see mystic theurge example).</p><p></p><p>LA creatures start off mostly worthless and some of it becomes less noticeable later on, but it is still there in one form or another.</p><p></p><p>Looking back at the psychic warrior examples again one of them had a manifestor level of 3 vs a manifestor level of 1. Now, later on the ratio indeed gets smaller, but the difference always stays the same. At low levels this can be incredibly bad, but the same is true for high levels. Personal buffs lasting for shorter amounts of time, having access to fewer, being able to augment them less, and being easier to dispel all add up to being worse at that.</p><p></p><p>Going to the soulknife example the human is way ahead in just about every way.</p><p></p><p>For the psion this guy is looking more like the start of a gish class than a psion.. he really isnt very good at being a pure manifestor.. so there goes his favored class.. he has stuff to make himself better at it, but he wont be as good at it overall as people without the hd.</p><p></p><p>That would be the point however.</p><p></p><p>If there is a place where the race I posted here is definately way in the lead I'd love to see it, that would give a place to work off of. The only example so far is of them being pretty much even.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2337686, member: 5777"] It is a fairly minor benefit that only works when other resources are spent. I just couldnt bring myself to put a full +1 on it for LA. If you had a creature who had no other racial features (ie medium, no special talents, etc) except for just that one ability would they be LA +1? Now, of course that is what the acid test is there to mitigate, but still.. I just couldnt say +1 LA for an ability that takes a number of other resources to be able to take advantage of. yep, interesting book. It tries to do something very difficult and succeeds sometimes and fails others. Roughly equivalent is the goal, but while it is ahead in some ways it is definately behind in others. The, 'it only gets better with every level' has yet to be shown or proven. I know that you lack the material, I am waiting for someone who apparently feels free to say much the same to prove it. If no one feels like showing anything then I'll run with the baseline, which says they are roughly equivalent as you have said. Gut is all well and good, but it is too easy to fool the guy (see mystic theurge example). LA creatures start off mostly worthless and some of it becomes less noticeable later on, but it is still there in one form or another. Looking back at the psychic warrior examples again one of them had a manifestor level of 3 vs a manifestor level of 1. Now, later on the ratio indeed gets smaller, but the difference always stays the same. At low levels this can be incredibly bad, but the same is true for high levels. Personal buffs lasting for shorter amounts of time, having access to fewer, being able to augment them less, and being easier to dispel all add up to being worse at that. Going to the soulknife example the human is way ahead in just about every way. For the psion this guy is looking more like the start of a gish class than a psion.. he really isnt very good at being a pure manifestor.. so there goes his favored class.. he has stuff to make himself better at it, but he wont be as good at it overall as people without the hd. That would be the point however. If there is a place where the race I posted here is definately way in the lead I'd love to see it, that would give a place to work off of. The only example so far is of them being pretty much even. [/QUOTE]
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