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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2337993" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>As you wish I suppose.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True, one persons gut might say it is too much, anothers might say it is not enough, another might say it is just right. So who do I believe?</p><p></p><p>Guts can be fooled, I prefer proof. But even more than that, in order to get a 'gut' feeling you have to go through some sort of mental jumping at the very least I would like to see those. After all, your gut has a 'reason', why not give the reasons as well instead of just feeling?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have said that if they feel some way about it to explain why and give proof. If they have no way to do so, or no desire to actually help, then that is just as good as not posting.</p><p></p><p>If someone were to say, 'surgeons are all stupid people and doing it requires no real skill' then most people would discount it. They have more evidence to the contrary. If the person could give some sort of proof then that would at least show why they are thinking that way and under what conditions it 'might' be true.</p><p></p><p>I am just asking for the same thing. I have put up something and asked people to help show me what is overly wrong with the class. I figured people would see a lot, but I was hopeing that with that there would be some actual discussion. If that is too much to ask then I will go to another board. Yes, discussion, if someone says that it is 'obvious' that item X needs to be fixed and I state my reasons why I think it is ok that is not an attack, that is giving my thought processes and trying to get them to show theirs. If they dont then I simply assume they dont have anything important to say. If they did then they would give something to back up their claims.</p><p></p><p>Anything constructive people have to say is welcome, but I want it backed up. Without it being backed up it isnt worth the time it takes to read it, just like any opinions about difficult subjects.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Eh, I respond in kind. If someone is nice I respond nicely, if not then not. So neutral unhelpful responses usually get something like, 'ok, but can you back it up with something?' If that is interpreted as being 'not nice' then so be it, but I do not intend it as such. Asking for further evidence to a hard claim shouldnt be necissary to begin with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have done work and they said that work is unimportant at other levels, I have asked them to back up their claims.</p><p></p><p>But I've already gone over that. I made a claim and showed where I felt it was true, someone else makes a claim and shows nothing, who is at fault?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>mechanical effects should never be used to cover roleplaying effects, and the other way around.</p><p></p><p>So, it is vitally important to 'not' take them into account. It doesnt matter if they are the slaver race or the slave race, none of their stats should change depending on that for a general race.</p><p></p><p>Sure, for individual campaigns one could make an arguement about rp vs mechanical, but in general? It should <strong>not</strong> be used.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some people are starting to try, which is good and I appreciate it.</p><p></p><p>If people think that something is wrong then giving proof of why should be expected. If they cant explain their reasoning then their reasoning holds no weight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2337993, member: 5777"] As you wish I suppose. True, one persons gut might say it is too much, anothers might say it is not enough, another might say it is just right. So who do I believe? Guts can be fooled, I prefer proof. But even more than that, in order to get a 'gut' feeling you have to go through some sort of mental jumping at the very least I would like to see those. After all, your gut has a 'reason', why not give the reasons as well instead of just feeling? I have said that if they feel some way about it to explain why and give proof. If they have no way to do so, or no desire to actually help, then that is just as good as not posting. If someone were to say, 'surgeons are all stupid people and doing it requires no real skill' then most people would discount it. They have more evidence to the contrary. If the person could give some sort of proof then that would at least show why they are thinking that way and under what conditions it 'might' be true. I am just asking for the same thing. I have put up something and asked people to help show me what is overly wrong with the class. I figured people would see a lot, but I was hopeing that with that there would be some actual discussion. If that is too much to ask then I will go to another board. Yes, discussion, if someone says that it is 'obvious' that item X needs to be fixed and I state my reasons why I think it is ok that is not an attack, that is giving my thought processes and trying to get them to show theirs. If they dont then I simply assume they dont have anything important to say. If they did then they would give something to back up their claims. Anything constructive people have to say is welcome, but I want it backed up. Without it being backed up it isnt worth the time it takes to read it, just like any opinions about difficult subjects. Eh, I respond in kind. If someone is nice I respond nicely, if not then not. So neutral unhelpful responses usually get something like, 'ok, but can you back it up with something?' If that is interpreted as being 'not nice' then so be it, but I do not intend it as such. Asking for further evidence to a hard claim shouldnt be necissary to begin with. I have done work and they said that work is unimportant at other levels, I have asked them to back up their claims. But I've already gone over that. I made a claim and showed where I felt it was true, someone else makes a claim and shows nothing, who is at fault? mechanical effects should never be used to cover roleplaying effects, and the other way around. So, it is vitally important to 'not' take them into account. It doesnt matter if they are the slaver race or the slave race, none of their stats should change depending on that for a general race. Sure, for individual campaigns one could make an arguement about rp vs mechanical, but in general? It should [b]not[/b] be used. Some people are starting to try, which is good and I appreciate it. If people think that something is wrong then giving proof of why should be expected. If they cant explain their reasoning then their reasoning holds no weight. [/QUOTE]
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