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<blockquote data-quote="IcyCool" data-source="post: 2338536" data-attributes="member: 20308"><p>Nifft said 'BROKEN!', and also gave an example of what he thought the problem was. You, of course, handily dismissed it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As Yoda might say, "That, is why you fail." <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but the Kri'Loroth has an 18 strength, so your correction is wrong. The Kri'Loroth has +18 melee (+14 base + 4 strength mod) and +17 ranged (+14 base +3 dex)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wrong. A Kri'Loroth gets to use this ability on one more defensive power per every 4 levels of a psionic class. 18/4 = 4.5, round down to 4, not 3.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I forgot some of the human's skill points. So they come out even. Without knowing what the Kri'Loroth class skills are (I'm betting they've got a psionic skill or two in there), I can't tell if they are 'lesser'.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For a grand total of ... exactly the same number of feats.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You don't see it being better than the human in everyway, and even with the human on the things <strong>Humans</strong> excel at? And you don't see this as a big strength?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you want my opinion, I'd ditch the whole Large but not really large deal, make them medium, make their Psi Ability only work on the two listed powers, and slap on either a +1 level adjustment. If you are deadset on keeping them the same, I'd at least recommend 1 racial hit die and +1 LA.</p><p></p><p>I don't recommend trying to balance something that isn't +0 LA with just Racial Hit Dice. The only WotC monsters I can think of that do are the poorly done Antrhopomorhpic Animals in the appendix of Savage Species. Try the Acid test on a few of them (particularly the Baleen Whale, if memory serves).</p><p></p><p>As it is, the Kri'Loroth is <strong>always</strong> a better choice than the human. You just need to look at it from both low levels and higher levels.</p><p></p><p><em>Edit - Yep, Baleen Whale. 3 Racial Hit Dice, no level adjustment. Large, +8 Str, +4 Dex, +4 Con, +4 Wis, +9 Nat Armor, 30ft. move. Does that look balanced to you?</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IcyCool, post: 2338536, member: 20308"] Nifft said 'BROKEN!', and also gave an example of what he thought the problem was. You, of course, handily dismissed it. Agreed. As Yoda might say, "That, is why you fail." ;) Yes, but the Kri'Loroth has an 18 strength, so your correction is wrong. The Kri'Loroth has +18 melee (+14 base + 4 strength mod) and +17 ranged (+14 base +3 dex) Wrong. A Kri'Loroth gets to use this ability on one more defensive power per every 4 levels of a psionic class. 18/4 = 4.5, round down to 4, not 3. So? Yeah, I forgot some of the human's skill points. So they come out even. Without knowing what the Kri'Loroth class skills are (I'm betting they've got a psionic skill or two in there), I can't tell if they are 'lesser'. For a grand total of ... exactly the same number of feats. You don't see it being better than the human in everyway, and even with the human on the things [b]Humans[/b] excel at? And you don't see this as a big strength? If you want my opinion, I'd ditch the whole Large but not really large deal, make them medium, make their Psi Ability only work on the two listed powers, and slap on either a +1 level adjustment. If you are deadset on keeping them the same, I'd at least recommend 1 racial hit die and +1 LA. I don't recommend trying to balance something that isn't +0 LA with just Racial Hit Dice. The only WotC monsters I can think of that do are the poorly done Antrhopomorhpic Animals in the appendix of Savage Species. Try the Acid test on a few of them (particularly the Baleen Whale, if memory serves). As it is, the Kri'Loroth is [b]always[/b] a better choice than the human. You just need to look at it from both low levels and higher levels. [i]Edit - Yep, Baleen Whale. 3 Racial Hit Dice, no level adjustment. Large, +8 Str, +4 Dex, +4 Con, +4 Wis, +9 Nat Armor, 30ft. move. Does that look balanced to you?[/i] [/QUOTE]
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