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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2339094" data-attributes="member: 5777">I'll get to your other post later sometime. My comments in the quote are using this as usual.There are a few things edited in there above, I am guessing you missed my earlier couple of posts (edited the first one awhile ago, mentioned it in a different post).With those 3 9th level powers comes a whole lot more flexibility. Trading 2 manifestor levels, 3 9th level powers, and 39 pp in order to get 25.5 more hp, better saves and a +1 to grapple checks. There are a few minor things here and there but overall they wash out pretty well.The extra stuff looks like an odd tradeoff, but not into the +1 LA shift. Going by your odd feat way of counting things 3 9th level powers is equivalent to 3 feats from a person who manifests powers of 10th level or higher. I guess that would make them equivalent to epic level feats. How many regular feats are epic level feats worth? Is there a feat that grants a+1 manifestor level all of the time? No, overchannel doesnt do that, so how many feats is that worth?A minor reduction in max pp? Then I guess the number of bonus hp is very minor, as it is 2/3 of the pp lost.2 manifestor levels makes for shorter durations and easier to dispel. Dispel is the biggest bane of the psychic warrior, and it can be pretty rough for the psion as well. It also cuts the max number of pp that can be spent, useing overchannel only helps to mitigate this, the psion could do the same and get keep the difference ahead.So, +1 to +3 is 'a significant boost' but the loss of 2 manifestor levels is not a 'significant loss'?Being able to spend a feat and a bunch of hp (overchanneling powers above level 3 will always deal damage, no option to expend focus) to regain those lost manifestor levels pretty well destroys that hp boost again. 5d8 averages 22.5. So, after a single manifestation to make up for the loss (pushing up to manifestor level 21) takes away nearly all of the bonus hp. Along with being 39 pp behind, so cutting into those faster.Yes, it is noticable. Having your spells last for shorter durations is a big hinderance at low levels (1 round vs 3 rounds is huge, 3 rounds vs 5 rounds is also huge, 18 rounds vs 20 tends to not be as big, but that is much higher level) at higher levels having your stuff dispelled 10% more often can really cut into how well your powers actually work. Or SR/PR letting your foes ignore your powers 10% more of the time? Ouch.The extra LA does not seem very cut and dried looking at it from this angle. The two guys look pretty equivalent.</blockquote>

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