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<blockquote data-quote="Number47" data-source="post: 880700" data-attributes="member: 84">Okay, everybody. Breathe deep. This isn't that hard. The reason that helpless people don't get auto-AoO'd is because they're helpless. No, it doesn't make straight-up logical sense. Neither does it make sense that everybody and their brother get a free poke at you because the evil cleric cast a low-level spell on you. If you want to play that Hold Person = pincushion, then you might as well just rule that Hold Person = death. Not to mention that it opens up a whole new can of worms. If the person receiving the AoO didn't do anything but be helpless, does that mean that I can AoO him as I move past? If I have combat reflexes and walk past 5 sleeping guards, do I AoO all of them? See, it doesn't make sense for helpless victims to be &quot;sword-attractors&quot;. Without an initiating event, the rules for AoO break down.Is it logical in all circumstances? No. Does it work? Yes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Number47, post: 880700, member: 84"] Okay, everybody. Breathe deep. This isn't that hard. The reason that helpless people don't get auto-AoO'd is because [i]they're helpless[/i]. No, it doesn't make straight-up logical sense. Neither does it make sense that everybody and their brother get a free poke at you because the evil cleric cast a low-level spell on you. If you want to play that [i]Hold Person[/i] = pincushion, then you might as well just rule that [i]Hold Person[/i] = death. Not to mention that it opens up a whole new can of worms. If the person receiving the AoO didn't do anything but be helpless, does that mean that I can AoO him as I move past? If I have combat reflexes and walk past 5 sleeping guards, do I AoO all of them? See, it doesn't make sense for helpless victims to be "sword-attractors". Without an initiating event, the rules for AoO break down. Is it logical in all circumstances? No. Does it work? Yes. [/QUOTE]

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