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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shalewind" data-source="post: 880731" data-attributes="member: 6146">I'm breathing fine. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Why not? You can kill with a spell. I personally hate the Hold Person spell and try not to use it, but that is besides the point. Yep, that pretty much is the way it is. I mean if you are helpless, you can be CdGed easy. I know there are a number of debates about this and I don't want to open any more, but in combat if a person has the time, CdG will kill most people when used with equal or slightly less power foes. Held DOES equal death in many games I've seen unless there are people guarding the person that has just been rendered helpless. Absolutely. That's the point. I see no reason why that SHOULDN'T be allowed. Sure. If you have a Dex of 18 why not. They are sleeping and helpless after all and it can't be that hard to run by and stab each in a few seconds, especially in a fantasy game. This is also an extreme case. I disagree. I don't see anything game breaking in allowing the practice. I don't see it as a break down rather as a combat option. And isn't that what 3e is all about? Options not restrictions? It's not that is isn't logical in all circumstances, nothing in d20 is. It is that it is more logical in MORE circumstances. And as the rule stands now, of course it works. It works allowing the AoO way too.The only thing I see as silly with AoOs is the chaining effect. Stabing sleeping people as a free interupt action isn't that big of an advantage and the majority of combatants aren't going to be able to do it more than once. Personally, I see a great many feats more attractive than Combat Reflexes.Edit: I've seen a lot of people mentioning you could get off ALL your AoO on one helpless person. Wouldn't being helpless just provoke once? IE> ONE AoO attack at most, since they can't do anything to provoke another one?</blockquote>

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