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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 881967" data-attributes="member: 1149">IMO that determination as to who you are paying tactical attention to and who you are not should not be determined by outside forces but by personal decision.If my goal is to kill the spellcaster then the fact that he is held should not take him off my radar. It should give me big neon signs saying "gut him now that he is not defeneding" as opposed to gut him slowly later."**********a simple example... in case a i want to kill this archer fellow and have backed him into a corner. In case two i want to kill this coffe-table shaped altar and i have backed it into a corner.I should NOT get more swings in a round at an active bowman who has full doidge and Ac against me (up to six **extra** swings in fact) than i do at a coffe table that is not actively defending at all.***********A less simple example...A spellcaster throws a silent teleport within 5' of me. I get an aoo. His defense lapses and i get an opening and i swing. Note that I dont know that he is throwing a spell, i dont see him waving arms, his defense lapses because he is distracted... i see the opening, not the spell.A held spellcaster stands right by me and i get no Aoo. Maybe i don't see his opening.OK so far! Thems the rules.A held sorcerer standing by me casts a silenced teleport and either...I get an AoO (this is the by the rules.) Somehow his defense went from helpless to worse than helpless and even though he is according to you out-of-sight out-of-mind, i somehow get the AoO.OR some might decide to house rule that his defense cannot drop below helpless and so he does not provoke AoOs by casting while helpless... raising the obvious "can i just decide to stand real still and be treated as helpless so i no longer provoke AoOs for spellcasting?" After all, if helpless prevents AoOs, then he goes helpless, casts silent teleport and gets away from the fighter, never allowing an aoo and never having to make his concentration check.Sound like a trumped up example? We were 5' from it being the case monday night?So, with your no attention paid rationale, wouldn't you be in favor of the latter.the fighter takes his eyes off the sorcerer ***no matter what*** even if the sorcerer had used the silent teleport trick before and thus cannot get an AoO for spellcasting... and so the sorcerer gets away BECAUSE he was held? (of course, given time, the warrior might be able to ready an action to watch for "the opening" the paralyzed mage presents when he casts...)</blockquote>

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