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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7796012" data-attributes="member: 6716779">It's also a problem with Kylo. Rewatched TFA and Kylo and Rey both had a great intro duction. However Kylo loses at the end if the movie and gets called Darth Whiney or Emo.  Sure he got wounded but remember Vader soaking a blaster bolt? Throw in Kylo going back and forth, and he is not even established as a great character. To make him different to Vader he should have used the for e to dodge Chewies bolt, defeated Rey (she survives) but maybe she wounds him. They follow up Snokes line about training him. Vader's a tank, make Kylo more like a Leopard or Tiger. Something like the T-800 vs T-1000.  Have Kylo kill Han in front of Leia or Leia plus Rey. At some point also have the 3 OT characters reunite before you kill one off. Finn actually regresses as a character as well.  If the writers don't care about the characters why should we? The main problem apparently was very little collaboration in the writing of the two movies hence Finn essentially having the same character development arc twice.</blockquote>