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<blockquote data-quote="Duelpersonality" data-source="post: 4329306" data-attributes="member: 64706">With the initial offering of the Compendium we got a look at potential new build options in Martial Power:&nbsp; two for the rogue (ruthless thug and thief-acrobat) and two for the warlord (bravura warlord and resourceful warlord).&nbsp; Any speculation on these as far as how they'll pan out?Begin Guesswork:Ruthless thug has some information already up in the Compendium, indicating that the primary stat for the build will be Charisma.&nbsp; Also, Rogue Weapon Talent would be replaced by Thug Weapon Talent.&nbsp; Thug weapon talent sounds very interesting to me, as it would likely take the focus off of daggers for a rogue, but the question is:&nbsp; what weapon would be likely to fill this void?&nbsp; Short sword might be an interesting choice for a higher base damaging rogue, but I'm not sure how well that fits with the Cha based attacking style.&nbsp; Another idea is that Thug weapon talent will grant proficiency in rapiers, which would seem to be a good fit and provide a nice bonus while leaving out the attack bonus of Rogue weapon talent.&nbsp; Any other ideas?Thief-acrobat doesn't have any info up yet.&nbsp; Still, it would be hard to believe that Dex was not the primary stat for this build.&nbsp; However, that does open up some interesting options by making Wis (or perhaps Int, though I find this far less likely) the secondary stat for the build, thus making it very different from other rogue builds.&nbsp; Perhaps no weapon talent at all with this build, but a Thief Skill Talent?&nbsp; Or perhaps a weapn talent to make slings the most attractive option to this build?Bravura warlords interest me greatly.&nbsp; For those who aren't familiar with the term, it is usally used to descibe a piece of music.&nbsp; Yes, music.&nbsp; I am almost certain that this is not a complete bard replacement, but perhaps a substitute without the &quot;otherworldly patron&quot; mentioned in Races &amp; Classes.&nbsp; Maybe a Cha primary warlord build, with Str or Int secondary?&nbsp; Could there be an addition of Implement powers to the warlord (instrument)?Resourceful warlords have a basic description up, pointing out that Str will still be the primary stat, and that both Int and Cha will be equally important secondary stats.&nbsp; The description of Resourceful Presence would seem to indicate that Int will be used to increase party attack effectiveness and Cha will be used to increase the warlord's healing effectiveness.&nbsp; The description also points out that shields will be important to resourceful warlords.&nbsp; Perhaps some paladin-esque defending mixed in?Anyway, thoughts?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Duelpersonality, post: 4329306, member: 64706"] With the initial offering of the Compendium we got a look at potential new build options in Martial Power: two for the rogue (ruthless thug and thief-acrobat) and two for the warlord (bravura warlord and resourceful warlord). Any speculation on these as far as how they'll pan out? Begin Guesswork: Ruthless thug has some information already up in the Compendium, indicating that the primary stat for the build will be Charisma. Also, Rogue Weapon Talent would be replaced by Thug Weapon Talent. Thug weapon talent sounds very interesting to me, as it would likely take the focus off of daggers for a rogue, but the question is: what weapon would be likely to fill this void? Short sword might be an interesting choice for a higher base damaging rogue, but I'm not sure how well that fits with the Cha based attacking style. Another idea is that Thug weapon talent will grant proficiency in rapiers, which would seem to be a good fit and provide a nice bonus while leaving out the attack bonus of Rogue weapon talent. Any other ideas? Thief-acrobat doesn't have any info up yet. Still, it would be hard to believe that Dex was not the primary stat for this build. However, that does open up some interesting options by making Wis (or perhaps Int, though I find this far less likely) the secondary stat for the build, thus making it very different from other rogue builds. Perhaps no weapon talent at all with this build, but a Thief Skill Talent? Or perhaps a weapn talent to make slings the most attractive option to this build? Bravura warlords interest me greatly. For those who aren't familiar with the term, it is usally used to descibe a piece of music. Yes, music. I am almost certain that this is not a complete bard replacement, but perhaps a substitute without the "otherworldly patron" mentioned in Races & Classes. Maybe a Cha primary warlord build, with Str or Int secondary? Could there be an addition of Implement powers to the warlord (instrument)? Resourceful warlords have a basic description up, pointing out that Str will still be the primary stat, and that both Int and Cha will be equally important secondary stats. The description of Resourceful Presence would seem to indicate that Int will be used to increase party attack effectiveness and Cha will be used to increase the warlord's healing effectiveness. The description also points out that shields will be important to resourceful warlords. Perhaps some paladin-esque defending mixed in? Anyway, thoughts? [/QUOTE]

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