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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1651375" data-attributes="member: 1465">First it should be still possible to play the game without PrCls. Maybe HiPS and Death Attack are not so unique abilities that can only be concieved as 'secret knowledge' kept by a group, but rather techniques which may require not much more effort that to learn to sneak attack for example.You could even make them into feats with appropriately high requirements; in any case, Rogue's special abilities don't come before level 10*.Second, even if you decide that HiPS is special enough to restrict it to a PrCl, at least it is pretty sad that you can only take the whole PrCl only to have an ability. I see no reason why every character in the world who knows the technique of death attack also knows to use poison, has 4 ranks in disguise and can cast some spells...*and note that HiPS and death attack are 1st-level benefits of the 2 PrCls, so a PC could have them respectively at level 8 and level 6 if he meets the PrCl requisites; it won't be unbalancing if an alternative requisite was Rogue level 10.Those Rogue's special abilities are effectively feats with prerequisite 10 levels in Rogue, which means slightly better than regular feats. The real point here is to evaluate if HiPS and Death Attack are slightly better than regular feats, or too good to be taken as a single rogue special ability.</blockquote>