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<blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 5828136" data-attributes="member: 59816">Yeah, I know how it works.&nbsp; I still think his point stands.&nbsp; If you take away the fighter's powers and all you're left with is his defender mechanic, you don't have enough to define his class.&nbsp; The fighter is more than a defender, is all he was trying to say, and all that I'm trying to explain.&nbsp; It's not a slight to defenders in general, nor is it a slight to 4e.Re: Percieved 4e bashing:Where is all this defensiveness coming from?Just because they're admitting that 4e's not perfect and discussing ways in which to make it better?&nbsp; Heck, it's not even THAT - they aret discussing ways in which 4e does not meet their CURRENT design goals - it's rarely a judgement that 4e is BAD, just pointing out the ways in which it doesn't live up to the goals DDN has set for it.If I was to say &quot;I want to play a batter game than 4e.&quot;&nbsp; A bunch of you would read that as me &quot;bashing&quot; 4e.But I'm not bashing it -&nbsp; I really LOVE 4e. I'd still like to play a game that's even better. How great would that be?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FitzTheRuke, post: 5828136, member: 59816"] Yeah, I know how it works. I still think his point stands. If you take away the fighter's powers and all you're left with is his defender mechanic, you don't have enough to define his class. The fighter is more than a defender, is all he was trying to say, and all that I'm trying to explain. It's not a slight to defenders in general, nor is it a slight to 4e. Re: Percieved 4e bashing: Where is all this defensiveness coming from? Just because they're admitting that 4e's not perfect and discussing ways in which to make it better? Heck, it's not even THAT - they aret discussing ways in which 4e does not meet their CURRENT design goals - it's rarely a judgement that 4e is BAD, just pointing out the ways in which it doesn't live up to the goals DDN has set for it. If I was to say "I want to play a batter game than 4e." A bunch of you would read that as me "bashing" 4e. But I'm not bashing it - I really LOVE 4e. I'd still like to play a game that's [I]even better[/I]. How great would that be? [/QUOTE]

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