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<blockquote data-quote="Blackwarder" data-source="post: 6255223" data-attributes="member: 6688285">The way I see it the main problem isn't about group checks or stealth checks it's about what the character is actually doing. Stealth can be either hide or move silently or both. It it stand to reason than a character that wears heavy and noisy armor won't be able to move around without being heard unless there is some external source that can mask the sound of her moving, such as a rushing waterfall, a silence spell and so on. On the other hand, the same character trying to hide behind something without moving is doing something completely different.I don't think that the game should permit heavily armed and armored group of characters to become ninjas because one character got a good stealth bonus, if you want to play a heavily armed and armored fighter with low Dex score than most of the time you should fail your move silently checks and your hide checks. If you do want to be able to creep unseen and unheard than you should get the proper gear, training and equipment.I don't have a problem with rangers and rogues who can give some sort of a bonus to hide other characters, but I don't see how the same can be true to simply moving silently down a corridor.Warder</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blackwarder, post: 6255223, member: 6688285"] The way I see it the main problem isn't about group checks or stealth checks it's about what the character is actually doing. Stealth can be either hide or move silently or both. It it stand to reason than a character that wears heavy and noisy armor won't be able to move around without being heard unless there is some external source that can mask the sound of her moving, such as a rushing waterfall, a silence spell and so on. On the other hand, the same character trying to hide behind something without moving is doing something completely different. I don't think that the game should permit heavily armed and armored group of characters to become ninjas because one character got a good stealth bonus, if you want to play a heavily armed and armored fighter with low Dex score than most of the time you should fail your move silently checks and your hide checks. If you do want to be able to creep unseen and unheard than you should get the proper gear, training and equipment. I don't have a problem with rangers and rogues who can give some sort of a bonus to hide other characters, but I don't see how the same can be true to simply moving silently down a corridor. Warder [/QUOTE]

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