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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7677200" data-attributes="member: 2525">Woah dude. I didn't call anyone dysfunctional or describe it as a player &quot;trust issues&quot;.&nbsp; In fact, that's pretty clear when you don't clip the rest of my post that explains that.&nbsp; What I said is that if there isn't enough mutual trust between the players and DM such that this is an issue, and given how many different rules require that mutual trust in 5e (more than just this one), it's probably more productive to focus on that more general issue than in chasing specific rules to patch.&nbsp; I didn't call it a &quot;player&quot; issue - it may well be it's the DM, or they just don't know each other very well, or a number of things.So you thought starting with a strawman was best followed by sarcasm?I didn't mean to hit a nerve with you.&nbsp; Sorry if what I wrote made you upset.&nbsp; That was not my intent.&nbsp; I was trying to be understanding, and helpful.Why are you still putting words in my mouth? I didn't say anything like that!You know, it's not sounding like this is a topic we can talk about without butting heads a lot.&nbsp; Maybe best for me to take a step back.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7677200, member: 2525"] Woah dude. I didn't call anyone dysfunctional or describe it as a player "trust issues". In fact, that's pretty clear when you don't clip the rest of my post that explains that. What I said is that if there isn't enough mutual trust between the players and DM such that this is an issue, and given how many different rules require that mutual trust in 5e (more than just this one), it's probably more productive to focus on that more general issue than in chasing specific rules to patch. I didn't call it a "player" issue - it may well be it's the DM, or they just don't know each other very well, or a number of things. So you thought starting with a strawman was best followed by sarcasm? I didn't mean to hit a nerve with you. Sorry if what I wrote made you upset. That was not my intent. I was trying to be understanding, and helpful. Why are you still putting words in my mouth? I didn't say anything like that! You know, it's not sounding like this is a topic we can talk about without butting heads a lot. Maybe best for me to take a step back. [/QUOTE]

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