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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 226018" data-attributes="member: 413">First off, there is more to being a munchkin than picking a particular class over another.&nbsp; One could easily claim that sorcerers are more &quot;munchy&quot; than wizards because of their absurd numbers of spells per day(and because they are...it's a known fact, so don't argue).Secondly, it sounds like you want the best of both worlds:&nbsp; You want the sorcerer's spells per day, but you don't want to be locked into the sorcerer's spells known.&nbsp; They do get new abilities every level...they're called _spells_.&nbsp; :rolleyes&quot;[/troll]Okay seriously...I know exactly what you mean.&nbsp; I used to play a Rogue/Sorcerer.&nbsp; I chose src over wiz because it fit my concept better.&nbsp; I didn't see my character as a &quot;bookworm&quot; but more of a natural talent.&nbsp; But I quickly discovered that the slower spell advancement made things rather unworkable at the lower-mid levels.&nbsp;&nbsp; While the party wizard was casting Fireballs and Haste, I was still stuck with chill touch...I'd have been far better off with wizard from a &quot;munchkin&quot; point of view.&nbsp; To solve this, as DM, I allow sorcerers to gain bonus spells one level early if their charisma is high enough(just like the bard), but at a cost of _two_(or 1 at third level) lower level spells.&nbsp;&nbsp; For instance, a Src3 with at least a 14 cha could learn a 2nd level spell instead of the 1st level one he would normally get.&nbsp;&nbsp; At 4th level he would then &quot;catch up&quot;.&nbsp; Or at 7th level, if he has at least an 18 cha, he could learn a single 4th level spell instead of his 2nd and 3rd level spells, then at 8th, he'd catch up with those.&nbsp;&nbsp; This higher level spell can be cast but once per day.Seems fair to me.&nbsp; You can learn a higher level spell and cast it once or two lower level ones and cast them often.&nbsp;&nbsp; This especially helps keep multiclassed sorcerers learning spells before they become nearly useless.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Uller, post: 226018, member: 413"] First off, there is more to being a munchkin than picking a particular class over another. One could easily claim that sorcerers are more "munchy" than wizards because of their absurd numbers of spells per day(and because they are...it's a known fact, so don't argue). Secondly, it sounds like you want the best of both worlds: You want the sorcerer's spells per day, but you don't want to be locked into the sorcerer's spells known. They do get new abilities every level...they're called _spells_. :rolleyes" [/troll] Okay seriously...I know exactly what you mean. I used to play a Rogue/Sorcerer. I chose src over wiz because it fit my concept better. I didn't see my character as a "bookworm" but more of a natural talent. But I quickly discovered that the slower spell advancement made things rather unworkable at the lower-mid levels. While the party wizard was casting Fireballs and Haste, I was still stuck with chill touch...I'd have been far better off with wizard from a "munchkin" point of view. To solve this, as DM, I allow sorcerers to gain bonus spells one level early if their charisma is high enough(just like the bard), but at a cost of _two_(or 1 at third level) lower level spells. For instance, a Src3 with at least a 14 cha could learn a 2nd level spell instead of the 1st level one he would normally get. At 4th level he would then "catch up". Or at 7th level, if he has at least an 18 cha, he could learn a single 4th level spell instead of his 2nd and 3rd level spells, then at 8th, he'd catch up with those. This higher level spell can be cast but once per day. Seems fair to me. You can learn a higher level spell and cast it once or two lower level ones and cast them often. This especially helps keep multiclassed sorcerers learning spells before they become nearly useless. [/QUOTE]

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