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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 1425147" data-attributes="member: 10397">As Mr Penguin pointed out, in terms of average damage my spell is a double magic missile at 3 times the level. seems sensible. No, it cant. you are greatly overstating its power and the amount of damage. At 10th level it can deal an average of 30 damage to a single target with no attack roll or save. Even a 10th level mage with a deccent Con could easily have more than 30 hp, plus they will probably have either a Brooch of Shielding or a Shield spell or both, which negates the spell entirely. And an average of 30 damage against a 10th level melee type is going to be unpleasant, but hardly instant death. Also bear in mind that many creatures have SR, and by 10th level PCs have access to Spell Resistance as a spell. I am talking about core metamagic feats, not the funky ones from other sources. You dont use feats as a comparison to balance spells. If the spell is balanced, it will be balanced when used with a balanced metamagic feat. Maxmizing this spell for an automatic 60 damage as a 6th level spell is not unbalanced...especialy since a wizard must choose to prepare it ahead of time, and a sorcerer (or my Mystic) suffers increased casting time as well. I think you underestimate what a 5th level spell should be capable of, and slightly overestimate stun especialy one with a save to negate. Although I may reduce the duration of the stun slightly.</blockquote>