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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 3234774" data-attributes="member: 20805">Kerrick, interesting system.. mind if I suggest a slightly cleaner mechanic?&nbsp;Hope not.. cause here it is <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;Spotting objects or creatures is similar to a ranged attack roll. The base DC is 5 and Spot has a range increment of based on terrain. Each range adds a +2 to the DC.The number of range increments is limited by weather conditions.Creatures that are not Medium size are treated as being one range increment closer if larger, or farther away if smaller.A new spot check can be taken when a circumstance changes, such as a motionless creature begins to move, or the target attempts to gain your attention, or the range to the target changes.Modifiers:[code]Condition&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Spot Mod.&nbsp; &nbsp; Target is motionless&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -2Target is trying to gain&nbsp;the spotter's attention1 (Aid Action)&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Target is raising a &nbsp; dust/smoke cloud&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The dust cloud is treated as 10 sizes larger and can be seen before the creature making it.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Environmental conditions&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Range Increments&nbsp; &nbsp; Bright daylight&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mist, light rain4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dusk/twilight, light fog/snow &nbsp; (1 inch/hour)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Moonlit night (full moon)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fog, moderate, heavy rain&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Moonlit night (half moon or &nbsp; less)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Moonless night, starlight&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Heavy fog/blizzard/sandstorm&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Terrain&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Range DistancePlains/desert4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 100&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hills&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 80&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Marsh&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 60&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Forest, light&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 40&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Forest, medium&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Forest, heavy/jungle&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mountains&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; varies&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [/code]This version generally maintains the same numbers and has the advantage of matching a range attack's modifers. Your text above with the descriptions can be changed to reflect range increment instead of numbers of feet, making it easier to use the system with different size critters.Revise examples:Example 1: Durgan the fighter is riding across the plain in the middle of the day. The sky is clear and cloudless, providing great visibility (10 range increments of 100' each). About a half-mile (2100 feet) down the road, another rider is coming toward him at a brisk trot raising a dust cloud as he comes. The second rider is Large (horse-sized) and is treated as being 100' closer. Since the rider is beyond the max range for his size he cannot be seen. Durgan can see the dust cloud with a Spot DC 25 , but he can't see what's making it until the rider draws closer (within 1100 feet).Example 3: Kerrick the ranger is moving through a light forest on an overcast day (8 range increments at 40' each) when he hears something moving nearby (a brown bear). He stops and looks around, scanning the underbrush.&nbsp; Since it's a cloudy day, the maximum range Kerrick could see is 8 increments, or 320'. The bear is only 50 feet away, though – DC 7. Kerrick can see the bear easily with only a few seconds' effort, despite the minor penalty.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 3234774, member: 20805"] Kerrick, interesting system.. mind if I suggest a slightly cleaner mechanic? Hope not.. cause here it is :) Spotting objects or creatures is similar to a ranged attack roll. The base DC is 5 and Spot has a range increment of based on terrain. Each range adds a +2 to the DC. The number of range increments is limited by weather conditions. Creatures that are not Medium size are treated as being one range increment closer if larger, or farther away if smaller. A new spot check can be taken when a circumstance changes, such as a motionless creature begins to move, or the target attempts to gain your attention, or the range to the target changes. Modifiers: [code] Condition Spot Mod. Target is motionless -2 Target is trying to gain the spotter's attention1 (Aid Action) +2 Target is raising a dust/smoke cloud The dust cloud is treated as 10 sizes larger and can be seen before the creature making it. Environmental conditions Range Increments Bright daylight 10 Mist, light rain4 8 Dusk/twilight, light fog/snow (1 inch/hour) 8 Moonlit night (full moon) 6 Fog, moderate, heavy rain 4 Moonlit night (half moon or less) 4 Moonless night, starlight 2 Heavy fog/blizzard/sandstorm 1 Terrain Range Distance Plains/desert4 100 Hills 80 Marsh 60 Forest, light 40 Forest, medium 20 Forest, heavy/jungle 10 Mountains varies [/code] This version generally maintains the same numbers and has the advantage of matching a range attack's modifers. Your text above with the descriptions can be changed to reflect range increment instead of numbers of feet, making it easier to use the system with different size critters. Revise examples: Example 1: Durgan the fighter is riding across the plain in the middle of the day. The sky is clear and cloudless, providing great visibility (10 range increments of 100' each). About a half-mile (2100 feet) down the road, another rider is coming toward him at a brisk trot raising a dust cloud as he comes. The second rider is Large (horse-sized) and is treated as being 100' closer. Since the rider is beyond the max range for his size he cannot be seen. Durgan can see the dust cloud with a Spot DC 25 , but he can't see what's making it until the rider draws closer (within 1100 feet). Example 3: Kerrick the ranger is moving through a light forest on an overcast day (8 range increments at 40' each) when he hears something moving nearby (a brown bear). He stops and looks around, scanning the underbrush. Since it's a cloudy day, the maximum range Kerrick could see is 8 increments, or 320'. The bear is only 50 feet away, though – DC 7. Kerrick can see the bear easily with only a few seconds' effort, despite the minor penalty. [/QUOTE]

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