Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
New Star Wars RPG!
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="hobgoblin" data-source="post: 2925917" data-attributes="member: 24923"><p>im not sure they could have done that. control, sense, alter allso existed in west end games D6-based star wars, so i dont think its a creation of wotc. it may well be that its part of the IP that wotc is allowed to tap into.</p><p></p><p>the wound/vitality system however is something they most likely have created in-house, and therefor can port over to any other game they feel like.</p><p></p><p>and given that you can do a lower level psionic or spell by using a higher level slot these days (and some other interesting stuff, like applying modification feats on the fly if your a sorceror and have the slots available), the modern "vancian" system is more or less on par with your avarage mana pool system. ok, a bit more fiddly but still <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>these days, its only the wizard style classes that gets a shaft from the vancian system by their requirement to preselect their spells rather then having a collection to select from as needed.</p><p></p><p>but i guess you can do a modified sorceror by saying that a wizard can memorize x number of spells pr class level and can swap any number of them out after 8 hours of rest and some "meditation" time. then they become more flexible then the sorceror, as the sorceror is locked to the spell he selected at the last level increase.</p><p></p><p>another thing to consider btw is that the vancian system is a d&d classic. for many it would not be d&d if it didnt have said system <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> it goes as far back as pre-a d&d <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hobgoblin, post: 2925917, member: 24923"] im not sure they could have done that. control, sense, alter allso existed in west end games D6-based star wars, so i dont think its a creation of wotc. it may well be that its part of the IP that wotc is allowed to tap into. the wound/vitality system however is something they most likely have created in-house, and therefor can port over to any other game they feel like. and given that you can do a lower level psionic or spell by using a higher level slot these days (and some other interesting stuff, like applying modification feats on the fly if your a sorceror and have the slots available), the modern "vancian" system is more or less on par with your avarage mana pool system. ok, a bit more fiddly but still ;) these days, its only the wizard style classes that gets a shaft from the vancian system by their requirement to preselect their spells rather then having a collection to select from as needed. but i guess you can do a modified sorceror by saying that a wizard can memorize x number of spells pr class level and can swap any number of them out after 8 hours of rest and some "meditation" time. then they become more flexible then the sorceror, as the sorceror is locked to the spell he selected at the last level increase. another thing to consider btw is that the vancian system is a d&d classic. for many it would not be d&d if it didnt have said system ;) it goes as far back as pre-a d&d ;) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
New Star Wars RPG!
Top