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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9421251" data-attributes="member: 5889">Ultimately the problem isn't really the stealth rules, its the &quot;finding rules&quot;.aka the clause that you remain in stealth &quot;until the enemy finds you&quot;.Ok so what does that mean? Does that mean that if there is no cover or concealment? Does it mean if your stealth wasn't as high as their passive perception? (because if we are using that rule that why even have the DC 15 in the first place....just make everyone passive perception a minimum of 15). Does see invisibility automatically break stealth?This is the part that is super confusing. The only thing we know for certain is.... &quot;a person that uses the search action and beats your stealth DC can see you&quot;. But of course when can a creature use the search check? Does it need a reason for can it be all the time?for example a DM has a guard that is &quot;highly alert&quot;. Would it be making search checks constantly?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 9421251, member: 5889"] Ultimately the problem isn't really the stealth rules, its the "finding rules". aka the clause that you remain in stealth "until the enemy finds you". Ok so what does that mean? Does that mean that if there is no cover or concealment? Does it mean if your stealth wasn't as high as their passive perception? (because if we are using that rule that why even have the DC 15 in the first place....just make everyone passive perception a minimum of 15). Does see invisibility automatically break stealth? This is the part that is super confusing. The only thing we know for certain is.... "a person that uses the search action and beats your stealth DC can see you". But of course when can a creature use the search check? Does it need a reason for can it be all the time? for example a DM has a guard that is "highly alert". Would it be making search checks constantly? [/QUOTE]

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