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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9421785" data-attributes="member: 7037866">I think I understand what they were trying to do in some ways. For example with the base DC 15.Consider this: whenever you try to be quite or move without being noticed, you sort of think you are doing it unless the targets react. You have to mess up in an obvious way to know you failed and aren't being quite for example. That is what failing the DC 15 means--- you failed enough to know you are, in fact, NOT being quiet.I'm hoping seeing some of this in context and actual use might make more sense for others. It doesn't matter for myself, though, since I know I won't be adapting it.And it is a pity much of the design seems to want to remove the DM from the game...</blockquote>