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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 9423931" data-attributes="member: 6779196">I think the text about not being able to make a sound louder than a whisper is primarily meant to hamper communication, not movement, since different players and DMs will have different ideas about how quietly it is possible to move under what circumstances. But, let’s assume for the sake of argument that it is never possible to change position without making a sound louder than a whisper. Now let’s say a PC is in an area of darkness, successfully takes the hide action, and remains perfectly silent and still. Then an enemy carrying a lit torch moves into the area, illuminating it with bright light. Can that enemy see the PC?Now take the same example and imagine instead of taking the hide action, the PC cast the invisibility spell on themselves. Does the torch-carrying enemy see them now? If your answer is different than your answer to the previous example, why? What in the rules text lead you to that conclusion?You also can’t be targeted by effects that require the creature using the effect to see its target (unless the creature using the effect has a special sense that allows them to see invisible targets), attacks against you have disadvantage (unless the attacker has a special sense that allows them to see invisible targets), and your attacks have advantage (unless the target has a special sense that allows them to see invisible attackers).No, surprise now imposes disadvantage on the surprised creature’s initiative roll. There are also a number of effects that previously enabled surprise which now instead grant their user advantage on initiative, including the invisible condition. Indeed, if you have  the invisible condition and attack an unaware target, you’ll have advantage on initiative and they’ll likely have disadvantage on initiative due to being surprised. Which I actually think is pretty neat.</blockquote>

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