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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thommy H-H" data-source="post: 9424447" data-attributes="member: 6797019">Well, as I've said a couple of times, while Hide and Invisibility both grant the Invisible condition, they both impose different methods of losing it which change how they work to some extent. Much like how you might get the Poisoned condition from being bitten by a snake or from a demon cursing you. Both have the same effect in game terms, but you might be able to recover from the snake venom by repeating the save at the end of your turn, while the demon's curse is magic that needs Remove Curse or Greater Restoration to shift (these are just random examples).So, the Invisible condition from the Hide action is fragile: you can't make any noise louder than a whisper, and someone can remove it from you by making a successful Search action. It's tricky to maintain once you get into the thick of combat.The Invisible condition from the Invisibility spell is more robust: you can lose it by making an attack or casting a spell, just like if you'd taken the Hide action, but apart from that you'll still gain the benefits of being Invisible even if you run in front of some guards yelling at the top of your lungs.And I don't think, therefore, it's particularly challenging to see those as two different things in the game's fiction, even though they make use of the same condition (that unfortunately shares a name with one of them). Just like the snake bite and the demon curse are different things that happen to share some rules.Yes, but they would do the same thing. Because, again, the Invisible condition actually says nothing about you being transparent or anything like that. It just means "not able to be seen". The magical or not aspect of it is covered by the circumstances that grant you the condition and the way they say it works. Likewise, Poisoned doesn't say "a snake bit you" either. You can get it lots of ways, including by magic (or demon, or whatever).Once again, not defending anything. Just saying how I think it's meant to work.</blockquote>

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