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<blockquote data-quote="Amrûnril" data-source="post: 9424709" data-attributes="member: 6841183">Edit: The invisibility spell had been quoted in in earlier discussions as ending when taking damage, but based on screenshots, it appears the actual condition is dealing damage, which matches the spirit, if not the letter, of the 2014 rules.<s>Stepping away from the definition of &quot;invisible&quot; for a moment, it appears there's a another change to spell-based invisibility in the 2024 rules.</s><s></s><s>2014 Invisibility Spell: A creature you touch becomes invisible until the spell ends. Anything the target is wearing or carrying is invisible as long as it is on the target's person. The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell.</s><s></s><s>2024 version (as posted by [USER=7035905]@DavyGreenwind[/USER]): The Target has the Invisible condition until the spell ends. It ends early if the creature takes damage, casts a spell or makes an attack.</s><s></s><s>I don't recall this change or the reasoning for it being discussed in any of the UAs, but it seems quite significant. Whereas the 2014 version continues until you take a potentially hostile action (or an opponent uses a specialized ability to counter it), the 2014 version can easily be negated by mundane enemy attacks. This doesn't matter much if you're using invisibility to avoid detection entirely, but it makes the spell much weaker if you're trying to disengage from combat or protect a vulnerable character.</s></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Amrûnril, post: 9424709, member: 6841183"] Edit: The invisibility spell had been quoted in in earlier discussions as ending when [I]taking [/I]damage, but based on screenshots, it appears the actual condition is [I]dealing [/I]damage, which matches the spirit, if not the letter, of the 2014 rules. [S]Stepping away from the definition of "invisible" for a moment, it appears there's a another change to spell-based invisibility in the 2024 rules. [B]2014 Invisibility Spell:[/B] A creature you touch becomes invisible until the spell ends. Anything the target is wearing or carrying is invisible as long as it is on the target's person. The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell. [B]2024 version [/B](as posted by [USER=7035905]@DavyGreenwind[/USER]): The Target has the Invisible condition until the spell ends. It ends early if the creature [B]takes damage[/B], casts a spell or makes an attack. I don't recall this change or the reasoning for it being discussed in any of the UAs, but it seems quite significant. Whereas the 2014 version continues until [I]you[/I] take a potentially hostile action (or an opponent uses a specialized ability to counter it), the 2014 version can easily be negated by mundane enemy attacks. This doesn't matter much if you're using invisibility to avoid detection entirely, but it makes the spell much weaker if you're trying to disengage from combat or protect a vulnerable character.[/S] [/QUOTE]

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