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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 9426621" data-attributes="member: 6932123">Assuming you meant "condition" in the first paragraph.Based on my own view of how things work, the possibilities I see are:Scenario A:1: The NPC gained the Invisible condition by Hiding. The NPC has not done anything else that affects recognition.2: The PC sees the NPC.3: The PC has "found" the NPC, ending the NPC's Invisible condition.Scenario B:1: The NPC gained the Invisible condition by Hiding. The NPC has also donned a disguise.2: The PC sees the NPC.3: Due to the disguise, the PC has not "found" the NPC, so the NPC still has the Invisible condition.4: The PC makes a Perception check against the Stealth check the NPC made.5: If the PC beats the NPC's Stealth check, he "finds" the NPC, ending the Invisible condition.Scenario C:1: The NPC gained the Invisible condition by casting the Invisibility spell.2: The PC does not see the NPC.3: PC makes a Perception check (possibly via passive Perception) to notice details about the presence of the NPC, such as the sound of shoes scraping against the floor, or resisting the psychic influence of the psychic shroud from that version of the spell, or whatever. DC set by the GM if the NPC did not Hide, or against the NPC's Stealth check value if the NPC did Hide.4: If the PC succeeds on the Perception check, he "finds" the NPC, which would cancel out any benefit from Hiding, but not from the Invisibility spell. As such, advantages from being Invisible remain, but the PC knows the NPC is there, and may take further measures to try to counter the invisibility (eg: casting See Invisible, using Stonecunning to gain Tremorsense, etc).</blockquote>

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