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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9428834" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>If you send me your copy, I can give you plenty of page numbers. Do you have a particular reason to believe that perception and search are not in the PHB?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because finding can mean different things. The Paladin Divine Sense is a magic action using their channel divinity, yet it also explicitly finds the exact location of any undead within 60 ft regardless of cover. Dwarven tremorsense does not explicitly say it "finds hidden creatures" but it would allow you to "see" and therefore find any creature that is touching the same stone surface, rendering invisibility and hiding behind a door equally pointless. It is a bonus action, and not any particular kind of action. </p><p></p><p>So, it doesn't make sense to limit "finding" to only a specific action type, because that will naturally exclude other ways of finding people or objects.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That doesn't sound like a question. Yes, that is math. Will you be needing PHB quotes with page numbers for where they break down percentage chances of passing DCs for human commoners as well?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, that is what you should do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Feel free to open a US based printing company that can handle the overwhelming volume of a WoTC core rule book trio printing. Or feel free to open a storage facility that doesn't charge WoTC for storing likely millions of books for a few months. Otherwise, complaining about the realities of their print production is a bit silly. As is somehow expecting that this will be any different than when we had the literal exact same scenario in 2014.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>With the surprise rules. These are not the surprise rules being discussed. </p><p></p><p>Also, if that is the rules you want to use, then since that one paragraph doesn't specify anything about cover, if my PC is attempting to be stealthy in a brightly lit, featureless white-room, then I would roll my stealthy and get surprise against any enemies which.. well in a separate paragraph tells me that I just took away their entire turn because I was trying to be stealthy. And since those are the rules, that would be the absurdist RAW correct?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9428834, member: 6801228"] If you send me your copy, I can give you plenty of page numbers. Do you have a particular reason to believe that perception and search are not in the PHB? Because finding can mean different things. The Paladin Divine Sense is a magic action using their channel divinity, yet it also explicitly finds the exact location of any undead within 60 ft regardless of cover. Dwarven tremorsense does not explicitly say it "finds hidden creatures" but it would allow you to "see" and therefore find any creature that is touching the same stone surface, rendering invisibility and hiding behind a door equally pointless. It is a bonus action, and not any particular kind of action. So, it doesn't make sense to limit "finding" to only a specific action type, because that will naturally exclude other ways of finding people or objects. That doesn't sound like a question. Yes, that is math. Will you be needing PHB quotes with page numbers for where they break down percentage chances of passing DCs for human commoners as well? Yes, that is what you should do. Feel free to open a US based printing company that can handle the overwhelming volume of a WoTC core rule book trio printing. Or feel free to open a storage facility that doesn't charge WoTC for storing likely millions of books for a few months. Otherwise, complaining about the realities of their print production is a bit silly. As is somehow expecting that this will be any different than when we had the literal exact same scenario in 2014. With the surprise rules. These are not the surprise rules being discussed. Also, if that is the rules you want to use, then since that one paragraph doesn't specify anything about cover, if my PC is attempting to be stealthy in a brightly lit, featureless white-room, then I would roll my stealthy and get surprise against any enemies which.. well in a separate paragraph tells me that I just took away their entire turn because I was trying to be stealthy. And since those are the rules, that would be the absurdist RAW correct? [/QUOTE]
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