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<blockquote data-quote="JDillard" data-source="post: 4405326" data-attributes="member: 67649"><p>At first I agreed with your interpretation Kordeth, but the more I think about it the more I think the other interpretation of "remaining hidden" is proably correct. </p><p> </p><p>Here's some thoughts...</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I think so, yes. If it seems really oddly illogical, just assume that when you're moving you're focused more on moving and less on looking all around you. The bad guy doesn't have a chance to notice Rogue until he's finished his move. Then, if the Rogue has no more cover or concealment he gets seen. Otherwise, he stays hidden.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Disagree. As per the new clarification: </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This happens regardless of if the movement happens within cover or concealment. Which means, Shadow Stride still fairly useful. </p><p> </p><p>Without, through non-cover: You make a move action from Total Cover through non-cover into Regular cover. You've not "Kept Hidden", because you've gone through non-cover spaces. At the end of the move, you are no longer hidden. (If, and only if, you ended up in another Total Cover space here, you could make a new Stealth check, at -5 for moving more than 2. This starts up whole new "Hidden" situation).</p><p> </p><p>Without, through cover: You make a move action from Total Cover through Regular cover to another Regular cover space. You move more than two, you must make another Stealth check, this time at -5 (as per "Keep Still").</p><p> </p><p>With, through non-cover: You make a move action from Total Cover through non-cover to a Regular Cover space. Due to Shadow Stride you still count as "hidden" through the entire move, and when you make your Stealth check at the end it has no penalty.</p><p> </p><p>With, through cover: Same as "With, through non-cover"</p><p> </p><p>Seems to me like Shadow Stride is actually pretty fantastic, particularly for an at-will utility.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I believe, technically, it's the loss of cover or concealment <strong>during</strong> a move action, thus falls into the little bit at the end about remaining hidden until the end of the action.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I think I adequately argued against this. Did I miss anything?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JDillard, post: 4405326, member: 67649"] At first I agreed with your interpretation Kordeth, but the more I think about it the more I think the other interpretation of "remaining hidden" is proably correct. Here's some thoughts... I think so, yes. If it seems really oddly illogical, just assume that when you're moving you're focused more on moving and less on looking all around you. The bad guy doesn't have a chance to notice Rogue until he's finished his move. Then, if the Rogue has no more cover or concealment he gets seen. Otherwise, he stays hidden. Disagree. As per the new clarification: This happens regardless of if the movement happens within cover or concealment. Which means, Shadow Stride still fairly useful. Without, through non-cover: You make a move action from Total Cover through non-cover into Regular cover. You've not "Kept Hidden", because you've gone through non-cover spaces. At the end of the move, you are no longer hidden. (If, and only if, you ended up in another Total Cover space here, you could make a new Stealth check, at -5 for moving more than 2. This starts up whole new "Hidden" situation). Without, through cover: You make a move action from Total Cover through Regular cover to another Regular cover space. You move more than two, you must make another Stealth check, this time at -5 (as per "Keep Still"). With, through non-cover: You make a move action from Total Cover through non-cover to a Regular Cover space. Due to Shadow Stride you still count as "hidden" through the entire move, and when you make your Stealth check at the end it has no penalty. With, through cover: Same as "With, through non-cover" Seems to me like Shadow Stride is actually pretty fantastic, particularly for an at-will utility. I believe, technically, it's the loss of cover or concealment [B]during[/B] a move action, thus falls into the little bit at the end about remaining hidden until the end of the action. I think I adequately argued against this. Did I miss anything? [/QUOTE]
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