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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9025735" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Sure if you want to expressly care about the exact details of their arrays. I tend to find that as long as I make the same assumptions for ability scores, it doesn't really matter. I also don't know why Sharpshooter matters, whether or not the Ranger or the fighter has sharpshooter doesn't make a difference, its impact is identical.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>4e? Is this a mistype?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, so this all relies on the Fighter getting a +2 dex for level 6. Which is not a guarantee. Yes, they very much might, but it isn't certain. </p><p></p><p>I'm also not sure about that +1 = +2 damage. What I would probably do is...</p><p></p><p>Ranger8: 3d8 (13.5) +2d6 (7) + 28 = 48.5 x 0.45 (0.6+0.1-0.25) = 21.825</p><p></p><p>Fighter8: 2d8 (9) +30 = 39 x 0.5 (0.65+0.1-0.25= 19.5</p><p></p><p>And yes, the fighter is not that far away. But again, Fighter subclasses are inconsistent. For example, the champion only gives buffs to critting, while the Eldritch knight's spells likely don't play into this at all, and the battlemaster can burst damage. But, remember, this entire thing is assuming that the ranger is dealing less consistent damage. But a hour long concentration spell (minimum) is not a burst. It IS consistent damage</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, because this is where the fighter gets that powerful 3rd attack and paladins add +1d8 to every attack, both of which are incredibly strong options.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I did address concentration and the bonus action. However, this is why I brought up the One DnD rules. Because ranged smites are a One DnD concept, so the fact that two of these issues are resolved by the current One DnD rules is important. Ranged Smite might have been a bigger impact without these changes, but these changes do exist.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And AC of 16 is not bad per se, especially at low levels. Also, you are discounting Half Plate, which would make it 17, almost as good as full plate, and if they are a dual-wielder, well, the dual-wielding character gets an additional +1 AC, bringing them up to the same AC as a two-hander in Full Plate. Which is certainly not bad. </p><p></p><p>Additionally, they do have healing spells. Which can help cover their hp, just like the paladin's lay on hands or the fighter's second wind.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I never said it was OP. I said it didn't stink. And that doesn't look like stinking to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But again, I'm not talking about it being exceptional. I'm talking about it not stinking. </p><p></p><p>And, it isn't like a Dual-wielding fighter is doing better damage than the dual-wielding ranger in this scenario.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9025735, member: 6801228"] Sure if you want to expressly care about the exact details of their arrays. I tend to find that as long as I make the same assumptions for ability scores, it doesn't really matter. I also don't know why Sharpshooter matters, whether or not the Ranger or the fighter has sharpshooter doesn't make a difference, its impact is identical. 4e? Is this a mistype? Okay, so this all relies on the Fighter getting a +2 dex for level 6. Which is not a guarantee. Yes, they very much might, but it isn't certain. I'm also not sure about that +1 = +2 damage. What I would probably do is... Ranger8: 3d8 (13.5) +2d6 (7) + 28 = 48.5 x 0.45 (0.6+0.1-0.25) = 21.825 Fighter8: 2d8 (9) +30 = 39 x 0.5 (0.65+0.1-0.25= 19.5 And yes, the fighter is not that far away. But again, Fighter subclasses are inconsistent. For example, the champion only gives buffs to critting, while the Eldritch knight's spells likely don't play into this at all, and the battlemaster can burst damage. But, remember, this entire thing is assuming that the ranger is dealing less consistent damage. But a hour long concentration spell (minimum) is not a burst. It IS consistent damage Yeah, because this is where the fighter gets that powerful 3rd attack and paladins add +1d8 to every attack, both of which are incredibly strong options. And I did address concentration and the bonus action. However, this is why I brought up the One DnD rules. Because ranged smites are a One DnD concept, so the fact that two of these issues are resolved by the current One DnD rules is important. Ranged Smite might have been a bigger impact without these changes, but these changes do exist. And AC of 16 is not bad per se, especially at low levels. Also, you are discounting Half Plate, which would make it 17, almost as good as full plate, and if they are a dual-wielder, well, the dual-wielding character gets an additional +1 AC, bringing them up to the same AC as a two-hander in Full Plate. Which is certainly not bad. Additionally, they do have healing spells. Which can help cover their hp, just like the paladin's lay on hands or the fighter's second wind. I never said it was OP. I said it didn't stink. And that doesn't look like stinking to me. But again, I'm not talking about it being exceptional. I'm talking about it not stinking. And, it isn't like a Dual-wielding fighter is doing better damage than the dual-wielding ranger in this scenario. [/QUOTE]
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