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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9026662" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Counter-point. No it isn't. It has literally never once been mentioned as a problem anywhere that I have seen. And it isn't just a subclass thing. Again, I mentioned Action Surge. That is a burst move. And they can do it at range.Um... no? I did the math for the paladin at the very beginning.I even did it twiceAnd, no, I'm not saying the Ranger doesn't have a niche. I'm saying Ranged Burst damage isn't their niche.I literally have two posts above you showing that the Fighter, Barbarian and Paladin DON'T outdamage the ranger. But okay, let's just get comprehensive with this. I'm not going to bother with accuracy numbers. Let's just throw this down. All mods will be +4, just to make my life and the math easier. All level 5-ish. I'm also not going to use Weapon Masteries, all of them should get them, so it would all be identical.Sword and BoardHunter Ranger: 3d8+2d6+8= 28.5, used a single non-concentration 1st level spell. Can repeat every turn*(Theoritical) Battlemaster Fighter: 4d8+8= 26, used half of short rest dice, can only do so once more.Berserker Barbarian: 2d8+2d6+4+8= 28 used a single rage (1/3 of total daily) can repeat every turn*.Paladin (subclass shouldn't matter here, and I don't have a good example): 2d8+3d8+8 = 30.5, used a second level slot. Can only do this once more. Downgrades to 26 damage with the four 1st level slots.Ranking: Paladin (for two attacks per day), Ranger, Barbarian, FighterPolearm MasterHunter Ranger: 2d10+1d8+1d4+3d6+12= 40.5 used a single non-concentration 1st level spell. Can repeat every turn*(Theoritical) Battlemaster Fighter: 2d10+1d4+3d8+12 = 39 used 3/4's of short rest dice, cannot be repeated without restBerserker Barbarian: 2d10+1d4+2d6+6+12= 38.5 used a single rage (1/3 of total daily) can repeat every turn*.Paladin: 2d10+1d4+3d8+12 = 39 used a second level slot. Can only do this once more. Downgrades to 34.5 damage with the four 1st level slots.Ranking: Ranger, Paladin (for two attacks per day)/Fighter (once per rest), BarbarianLongbowHunter Ranger: 3d8+2d6+8 = 28.5, used a single non-concentration 1st level spell. Can repeat every turn*(Theoritical) Battlemaster Fighter: 4d8+8 = 26, used half of short rest dice, can only do so once more.Berserker Barbarian: 2d8+8= 17, cannot be improved with class abilities. If using a thrown weapon, like a handaxe, then we can get 2d6+2d6+4+8= 26 with the use of Rage (1/3 of daily total) and repeat every turn*Paladin: 2d8+3d8+8 = 30.5, used a second level slot. Can only do this once more. Downgrades to 26 damage with the four 1st level slots.Ranking: Paladin (for two attacks per day), Ranger, Fighter/Barbarian (handaxes)Dual-WieldingHunter Ranger: 3d6+1d8+3d6+12 = 37.5 used a single non-concentration 1st level spell. Can repeat every turn*(Theoritical) Battlemaster Fighter: 3d6+3d8+12 = 36 used 3/4's of short rest dice, cannot be repeated without restBerserker Barbarian: 3d6+2d6+6+12 = 35.5 used a single rage (1/3 of total daily) can repeat every turn*.Paladin: 3d6+3d8+12= 36 used a second level slot. Can only do this once more. Downgrades to 31.5 damage with the four 1st level slots.Ranking: Ranger, Paladin (for two attacks per day)/Fighter (once per rest), Barbarian* Ranger has a 1 hour, nonconcentration limit. Barbarian has 10 minutes with bonus actionsSo, there we go. Now, are there some assumptions in all of this? Yes. There are also ways for the Ranger damage to IMPROVE, which would be much harder for the other classes. Now, again, I will admit. This changes at level 11. I know that. You know that. We all know that level 11 is poorly designed for the Ranger and the poor barbarian. But you want to know what the ranger is good at? Consistent, turn by turn, damage. Look at the rankings. They are either in second place, behind the paladin using their biggest spell slot (which they can only do twice), or in first place with the paladin in the same boat and the fighter burning SIGNIFICANT resources. But, for balance, game balance people, the ranger is slightly less tanky and naturally better at skills.... which seems like the fighter and barbairna need a buff. The paladin is fine, because they got some non-damage buffs that are very good.</blockquote>

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