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<blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 5661848" data-attributes="member: 5202">Well if you are using the NWoD as your core system you're safe as it's under 230 pages, but if you add Vamp, Werewolf, mage or Changeling to the mix, you're well past the 300 page mark.&nbsp; WW went from OWoD's general system of aim for 7, use these to change difficulty to having more +/- lists than d20 ever had.&nbsp; Then add in the sake for the sake of change issues I mentioned earlier.&nbsp; The new Changeling is the only part of the NWoD I have any interest in b/c old Changeling was broken in bad ways and needed corrected severely.I enjoyed the fact that Human was the only crossover between the PHB and Monte's books as far as races and classes went.&nbsp; It covered all the traditional kinda tropes, but in different ways.&nbsp; The Donaldson influence on Monte's books was pretty strong and everyone had symbols of what they were.&nbsp; Magister's staves, etc.&nbsp; I hated Donaldson's novels, but the world he imagined was a pretty cool one.&nbsp; Ptolus is for you my friend <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; The Brick is amazing heh</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SSquirrel, post: 5661848, member: 5202"] Well if you are using the NWoD as your core system you're safe as it's under 230 pages, but if you add Vamp, Werewolf, mage or Changeling to the mix, you're well past the 300 page mark. WW went from OWoD's general system of aim for 7, use these to change difficulty to having more +/- lists than d20 ever had. Then add in the sake for the sake of change issues I mentioned earlier. The new Changeling is the only part of the NWoD I have any interest in b/c old Changeling was broken in bad ways and needed corrected severely. I enjoyed the fact that Human was the only crossover between the PHB and Monte's books as far as races and classes went. It covered all the traditional kinda tropes, but in different ways. The Donaldson influence on Monte's books was pretty strong and everyone had symbols of what they were. Magister's staves, etc. I hated Donaldson's novels, but the world he imagined was a pretty cool one. Ptolus is for you my friend :) The Brick is amazing heh [/QUOTE]

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