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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5787506" data-attributes="member: 87792">A rogue gets only +1 to hit from weapon talent at low levels.&nbsp; A Brawny Rogue can live with that.&nbsp; But I've seen far more Artful Dodgers and Cunning Sneaks than I have brawny Rogues.&nbsp; If the rogue has a dex of 18 and a str of 12, that's -3 to hit compared to baseline.&nbsp; -2 after the weapon talent.&nbsp; Pretty inaccurate (and I've seen Str 8 rogues a few times).&nbsp; Feats like Nimble Blade that make the rogue absurdly accurate come later.2d6 damage.&nbsp; The first part is counteracted by the dagger, and the second by the low strength.&nbsp; A Str 12 rogue does 2d6+d4+1 damage at 1st level with sneak attack for 10.5 on average.&nbsp; A Str 18 warden with an axe does d10 + 4 for 9.5.&nbsp; With extra accuracy.Agreed.&nbsp; But he's first level.&nbsp; He won't have Melee Training.&nbsp; There are so many feats to take first.&nbsp; Light Blade Expertise springs to mind, as do Nimble Blade and Backstabber.&nbsp; And a multiclass feat.&nbsp; As I said, with a thief things would be very different.&nbsp; That +7 to hit, 3d6+6 damage (at dex 18) before you have started is genuinely impressive (especially as it goes up next level to +9 to hit even before Expertise).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5787506, member: 87792"] A rogue gets only +1 to hit from weapon talent at low levels. A Brawny Rogue can live with that. But I've seen far more Artful Dodgers and Cunning Sneaks than I have brawny Rogues. If the rogue has a dex of 18 and a str of 12, that's -3 to hit compared to baseline. -2 after the weapon talent. Pretty inaccurate (and I've seen Str 8 rogues a few times). Feats like Nimble Blade that make the rogue absurdly accurate come later. 2d6 damage. The first part is counteracted by the dagger, and the second by the low strength. A Str 12 rogue does 2d6+d4+1 damage at 1st level with sneak attack for 10.5 on average. A Str 18 warden with an axe does d10 + 4 for 9.5. With extra accuracy. Agreed. But he's [I]first level[/I]. He won't have Melee Training. There are so many feats to take first. Light Blade Expertise springs to mind, as do Nimble Blade and Backstabber. And a multiclass feat. As I said, with a thief things would be very different. That +7 to hit, 3d6+6 damage (at dex 18) before you have started is genuinely impressive (especially as it goes up next level to +9 to hit even before Expertise). [/QUOTE]

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