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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wraith Form" data-source="post: 1792916" data-attributes="member: 10789">For all my days on this board, I haven't actually DM'ed very much, so I'm in a similar boat as cbomb.Using the above quote, this raises an entirely different question in my mind, one that came about from personal experience several years ago:  what happens when the mistake you make is actually a PLOT mistake, not a "math" mistake (math mistake = CR too high for party, forgetting that party has an average of 3 hit points left and they've just woken a dragon, etc)?  What happens when the DM is....basically not very smart/bright/wise compared to his players?I ran a game where I had a cool idea (I thought) and had a villain steal something.  During the game, as I was describing the crime scene, one of my players looked up and said, "That was kind of a dumb way for the thief to steal (__ insert item here __) by climbing up the roof.  Why didn't he just walk in the door over here and (blah blah blah)....?"  When I sat there and listened to the player, my jaw dropped & I realized with horror that the player was right, and that I'd created a whole series of clues just because the villain'd "look cool" breaking through a trap door on the roof or whatever.  That my carefully constructed plot was demolished in approx. 20 minutes of game time.  This wasn't elaborate.  This wasn't complex.  This was a foolish mistake.  Because I was an idiot!I recovered from this and continued on with the game (barely) by making up an obvious and rather transparent excuse.  The players, to their credit, were pretty cool about understanding that the way the crime was committed was less important that who was being stolen from & what was being stolen.  In fact, the theft was supposed to lead up to the "real" adventure....But that's one small example of several adventure ideas that I've come up with where I just simply did not have the foresight or--let's face it--smarts/brains/knowledge/intelligence/common sense to create an effective, logical plot that players didn't find a flaw within.Any advice?  (Yeah, I know--"Don't DM".)</blockquote>

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