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[RainbowRocket]

The part about it saying something about how I have to give 2 spells to my familiar in a ritual.

 

[Tovec]

The part about it saying something about how I have to give 2 spells to my familiar in a ritual.

If you quote that part from the SRD then we can examine it otherwise everything I'm going to tell you right now is based on my previous readings.

The witch knows a certain number of spells, either identical or almost identical to how many a wizard knows. These spells, like a wizard, are kept in a magical vessel. The wizard uses a spellbook and the witch has her familiar. The witch learns spells at a rate of 2 per level and those spells are kept "within" the familiar. She prepares her spells by spending an hour in communion with her familiar and getting her spells for the day. Those spells are just part of the familiar as spells that particular familiar knows, just like how a wizard's individual spellbook only contains so many spells at a time.
Having 2 spells per level only seems to come up when the witch is learning her spells.

In addition the familiar may learn more (similar to how more spells can be added to a spellbook through scribing them in) via a ritual. That ritual is what I quoted earlier involving another familiar and interaction for an hour per spell level. That is the only reference to ritual and learning spells I can find.

(Even though you didn't ask this time I'm going to mention it again.) In addition to her normal spells learned at a rate of 2/level, the witch's familiar also knows a number of spells from her patron. This is an area that is a little unclear but they seem to be bonus and on top of the 2/level that the witch gains. They are stored in the familiar as any other spells the witch knows are.

So..
Level 1 witch knows (all 0s) 2 first level spells. At level 2 she gains 2 more. She stores all these spells in her familiar which contains the spells. She doesn't cast the spells on the familiar she essentially scribes the essence into the fox the same way the wizard puts the spell into his spellbook. If she comes in contact with another witch then her fox may attempt to learn spells from the other witch's fox through a process involving hours which (as far as I understand) is a ritual to learn more spells. If this never happens the witch's fox will only ever know: 2 spells per level + all 0s + "patron spells".

It might help to explain which part you know and which part stumps you. I used to have issue with ToB's stances vs actions but my roommate at the time helped me figure it out. Something like that might work here. I don't know but we are several posts in and I don't know what is confusing you outside the basic terminology.

 

[RainbowRocket]

What is the context? Do you have an example? What part is confusing? I tried to cover all aspects of witch spells and I'm unclear what you are unclear about.

yes this praticular passage from the witch page I don't understand

At each new witch level, she adds two new spells of any spell level or levels that she can cast (based on her new witch level) to her familiar. A witch can also add additional spells to her familiar through a special ritual.

 

[Tovec]

yes this praticular passage from the witch page I don't understand

At each new witch level, she adds two new spells of any spell level or levels that she can cast (based on her new witch level) to her familiar. A witch can also add additional spells to her familiar through a special ritual.

Okay the first part, 2 spells whenever she levels, is the same as it was in 3.5. "Adds [cut] spells [cut] to her familiar" is exactly the same language as the wizard "Adds [cut] spells [cut] to his spellbook".

How that works is when she levels she "learns", for lack of a better word, 2 new spells. They must be of her highest capable spell level or lower. So, a 13th level witch who is now capable of casting 7th level spells adds 2 spells of 7th (spell level) or lower to her familiar.
It isn't clear exactly how she adds them anymore than it is described how a wizard adds spells to his spell book. I would assume, based on the flavour text of how she prepares and casts certain spells, that she must spend some time communing with her familiar in order for the familiar to learn the spells but I don't see anything explicit.

As far as the "ritual". The only references I can find to that are when discussing new spells added to the familiar and when the familiar is needed to be replaced. I'm guessing (an educated guess) that the special ritual to learn additional spells is talking about the familiar's capacity to learn spells from another familiar - which I quoted above but which I'll paraphrase and specify here.

Familiar to familiar:
The witch's familiar can learn spells from another witch's familiar. I'll call witch 1's familiar fox and witch 2's familiar toad. So fox spends 7 hours with toad to learn a single 7th level spell. After finishing these 7 hours together fox must make a DC 22 (15+spell level) check. If fail then fox doesn't actually learn anything, if success then fox does. And the next time witch 1 goes to prepare spells she can use that new 7th level spell.

Familiar from scroll:
Similar to above, except at the end the scroll is burned up and "comsumed" by the fox.

My guess is that these are the only references to ritual learning that the entry meant to specify as they are the only ways I can find. That part you quoted only talks about special methods and regular methods of learning. Both of which I have now specified. Both of which are very familiar with 3.5's method of scribing scrolls into a spellbook and learning them through the course of leveling.

 

[Dark Mistress]

A witches spells are stored in their familiar if that's what you are asking.

 

[RainbowRocket]

Okay the first part, 2 spells whenever she levels, is the same as it was in 3.5. "Adds [cut] spells [cut] to her familiar" is exactly the same language as the wizard "Adds [cut] spells [cut] to his spellbook".

How that works is when she levels she "learns", for lack of a better word, 2 new spells. They must be of her highest capable spell level or lower. So, a 13th level witch who is now capable of casting 7th level spells adds 2 spells of 7th (spell level) or lower to her familiar.
It isn't clear exactly how she adds them anymore than it is described how a wizard adds spells to his spell book. I would assume, based on the flavour text of how she prepares and casts certain spells, that she must spend some time communing with her familiar in order for the familiar to learn the spells but I don't see anything explicit.

As far as the "ritual". The only references I can find to that are when discussing new spells added to the familiar and when the familiar is needed to be replaced. I'm guessing (an educated guess) that the special ritual to learn additional spells is talking about the familiar's capacity to learn spells from another familiar - which I quoted above but which I'll paraphrase and specify here.

Familiar to familiar:
The witch's familiar can learn spells from another witch's familiar. I'll call witch 1's familiar fox and witch 2's familiar toad. So fox spends 7 hours with toad to learn a single 7th level spell. After finishing these 7 hours together fox must make a DC 22 (15+spell level) check. If fail then fox doesn't actually learn anything, if success then fox does. And the next time witch 1 goes to prepare spells she can use that new 7th level spell.

Familiar from scroll:
Similar to above, except at the end the scroll is burned up and "comsumed" by the fox.

My guess is that these are the only references to ritual learning that the entry meant to specify as they are the only ways I can find. That part you quoted only talks about special methods and regular methods of learning. Both of which I have now specified. Both of which are very familiar with 3.5's method of scribing scrolls into a spellbook and learning them through the course of leveling.

That actually makes alot more sense I'm not quite sure why I was confused before in fact.