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<blockquote data-quote="Azgulor" data-source="post: 4094650" data-attributes="member: 14291"><p>I was a DS9 man, myself, followed by NextGen (very close 2nd), and Enterprise.  But I recognize the fact that Enterprise fans are in the minority.</p><p></p><p>Preserving sacred cows for the cows' sake is of little interest to me.  Scrapping the Great Wheel and removing Magic Missle auto-hit aren't even on my radar screen of things I don't like.  I've been evaluating information as it becomes available.  Much of what I'm seeing seems like a step backwards to me.  It might make the game faster or easier to learn, but the mechanics aren't wowing me.</p><p></p><p>That said, I don't see how an opinion I'm forming from information as it's released requires "more tolerance".  For 4e to win me over, given the substantial investment in time and money I have in the current edition, WotC has to clear a bar that's - to their credit since they set it themselves - is pretty damn high.  Little has generated any excitement for me although a few things have caused me to stop and consider how they would impact my games.</p><p></p><p>If I'm a happy 3.x customer, shouldn't WotC have to convince me that 4e will be better?  Isn't that part of their job?  If they aren't succeeding in covincing me, how does that make me intolerant?  (Their marketing efforts failed miserably in this regard so I'm trying to focus just on mechanics at this point.)</p><p></p><p>One of the methods to developing repeat customers is developing brand loyalty.  One could argue that the slaughter of sacred cows on the scale we appear to be seeing would SEEM to run counter to "maintaining the brand".  </p><p></p><p>As with each new Trek endeavor, we won't truly know until we see it.  I definitely saw a lot more "wait and see" opinions with each new Trek show/movie than I've seen with 4e, though.  Guess we'll see what happens.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Azgulor, post: 4094650, member: 14291"] I was a DS9 man, myself, followed by NextGen (very close 2nd), and Enterprise. But I recognize the fact that Enterprise fans are in the minority. Preserving sacred cows for the cows' sake is of little interest to me. Scrapping the Great Wheel and removing Magic Missle auto-hit aren't even on my radar screen of things I don't like. I've been evaluating information as it becomes available. Much of what I'm seeing seems like a step backwards to me. It might make the game faster or easier to learn, but the mechanics aren't wowing me. That said, I don't see how an opinion I'm forming from information as it's released requires "more tolerance". For 4e to win me over, given the substantial investment in time and money I have in the current edition, WotC has to clear a bar that's - to their credit since they set it themselves - is pretty damn high. Little has generated any excitement for me although a few things have caused me to stop and consider how they would impact my games. If I'm a happy 3.x customer, shouldn't WotC have to convince me that 4e will be better? Isn't that part of their job? If they aren't succeeding in covincing me, how does that make me intolerant? (Their marketing efforts failed miserably in this regard so I'm trying to focus just on mechanics at this point.) One of the methods to developing repeat customers is developing brand loyalty. One could argue that the slaughter of sacred cows on the scale we appear to be seeing would SEEM to run counter to "maintaining the brand". As with each new Trek endeavor, we won't truly know until we see it. I definitely saw a lot more "wait and see" opinions with each new Trek show/movie than I've seen with 4e, though. Guess we'll see what happens. [/QUOTE]
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