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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 1296238" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>As if "reality television" takes up so many hours that those 90% would be employed without it? Sorry, but that statistic is meaningless unless you know how many SAG actors were not employed in their craft before Reality TV cropped up. My imporession was that the guild is usually mostly out of work - there are simply far more people who wnat to act than there are roles.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For those that are getting a flat payment, that works, yes. For those who work off percentage, however, there's still a big risk, in terms of lost opportunity. While working on the long flop, the actor could have made a number of conventional films, one of which could well have been a big success.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but if they flop, they probably do so as a group - if the first dies, it takes it's siblings down with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, for one thing, "Back to the Future" was not done as a whole series - It was more akin to The Matrix. The first movie came out in 1985. The latter two were filmed back to back, and released in 1989 and 1990.</p><p></p><p>"Back to the Future" and "The Matrix" are the most similar examples at hand. They aren't exact in details, but we can perhaps equate the fact that these two had one majorly successful movie out as akin to LotR haveing successful books in print.</p><p></p><p>These are, I expect, reasonably similar for at least some discussion. You say they were successful. But as I recall, Back to the Future parts 2 and 3 got only mediocre reception at the box office, and the approval ratings seen on IMDB and Rottentomatoes.com seem to back this up. The Matrix sequels met with somewhat more success financially, but I haven't seen too many folks who actually think the second two are up to the promise of the first as films.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Eh, I hope not. If that's the case, all we'll ever see is remakes of established properties. They'd be done in epic style, with major special effects and large ensemble casts ensuring that most characters would get minimal character development. Everything would be filmed in New Zealand, with great sweeping camera shots... </p><p></p><p>You get the idea. the LotR style worked for LotR, but it would not work for Casablanca. Rather than take something that works in a particular case as an example for everything, why not take it as an example for only sinmilar work, and allow us a little variety in our viewing, hm? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Plus, part of the success of LotR rides not in whether it was better, but merely that it was different. But if everything follows the example, it wouldn't be different,so that it wouldn't be too successful. Imitation makes good flattery, but innovation makes for better success.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. The same can be said for Beanie Babies and Cabbage Patch Dolls, and Magic: the Gathering. Note how imitation of same doesn't generally lead to financial success? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wow, dude. Be careful how you swing around those subjectives, like "excellent" and "properly". You'll take someone's eye out with one of them <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>The fact of the matter is that Hollywood (and the entertainment industry in general) has very little ability to predict what the populace thinks is "excellent" or "proper". And I think that the success of reality TV and the failure of Firefly has shown us that excellence is not directly linked to overall success.</p><p></p><p>In the original sense, there is no accounting for taste. There is no formula, no predictability. The public will like what it will like, and you won't know the opinion until you actually show it...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, right. Like that's going to happen <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 1296238, member: 177"] As if "reality television" takes up so many hours that those 90% would be employed without it? Sorry, but that statistic is meaningless unless you know how many SAG actors were not employed in their craft before Reality TV cropped up. My imporession was that the guild is usually mostly out of work - there are simply far more people who wnat to act than there are roles. For those that are getting a flat payment, that works, yes. For those who work off percentage, however, there's still a big risk, in terms of lost opportunity. While working on the long flop, the actor could have made a number of conventional films, one of which could well have been a big success. Yes, but if they flop, they probably do so as a group - if the first dies, it takes it's siblings down with it. Well, for one thing, "Back to the Future" was not done as a whole series - It was more akin to The Matrix. The first movie came out in 1985. The latter two were filmed back to back, and released in 1989 and 1990. "Back to the Future" and "The Matrix" are the most similar examples at hand. They aren't exact in details, but we can perhaps equate the fact that these two had one majorly successful movie out as akin to LotR haveing successful books in print. These are, I expect, reasonably similar for at least some discussion. You say they were successful. But as I recall, Back to the Future parts 2 and 3 got only mediocre reception at the box office, and the approval ratings seen on IMDB and Rottentomatoes.com seem to back this up. The Matrix sequels met with somewhat more success financially, but I haven't seen too many folks who actually think the second two are up to the promise of the first as films. Eh, I hope not. If that's the case, all we'll ever see is remakes of established properties. They'd be done in epic style, with major special effects and large ensemble casts ensuring that most characters would get minimal character development. Everything would be filmed in New Zealand, with great sweeping camera shots... You get the idea. the LotR style worked for LotR, but it would not work for Casablanca. Rather than take something that works in a particular case as an example for everything, why not take it as an example for only sinmilar work, and allow us a little variety in our viewing, hm? :) Plus, part of the success of LotR rides not in whether it was better, but merely that it was different. But if everything follows the example, it wouldn't be different,so that it wouldn't be too successful. Imitation makes good flattery, but innovation makes for better success. Yep. The same can be said for Beanie Babies and Cabbage Patch Dolls, and Magic: the Gathering. Note how imitation of same doesn't generally lead to financial success? :) Wow, dude. Be careful how you swing around those subjectives, like "excellent" and "properly". You'll take someone's eye out with one of them :) The fact of the matter is that Hollywood (and the entertainment industry in general) has very little ability to predict what the populace thinks is "excellent" or "proper". And I think that the success of reality TV and the failure of Firefly has shown us that excellence is not directly linked to overall success. In the original sense, there is no accounting for taste. There is no formula, no predictability. The public will like what it will like, and you won't know the opinion until you actually show it... Yeah, right. Like that's going to happen :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
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