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<blockquote data-quote="Some Dude" data-source="post: 9811817" data-attributes="member: 6980080"><p>I can't think of a worse fit for D&D that Traveller. But I feel that way about D&D for anything that isn't... well, D&D.</p><p></p><p>No one is arguing that Rebellion doesn't own T&T, or that they can't do what they like with it. That'd just be silly.</p><p></p><p>It's perfectly natural to compare and even criticiize new editions of classic RPGs, even ones with small fan bases. Thats's been happening since editions became a thing. It isn't new, it isn't uncommon, and it's not unreasonable.</p><p></p><p>Before the latest Talislanta Kickstarter, it was announced that the new edition would be for 5E D&D. There was palpable disappointment. It was only thanks to the OGL debacle that the Epic edition was written using the classic Talislanta rules, with 5E conversions.</p><p></p><p>No one is saying that should or is going to happen here. But T&T old heads' reaction to nu-T&T isn't an abberation. It's perfectly understandable, given that Scott Malthouse has been a big supporter of T&T throughout the years. Rebellion's CEO talking about how much he loved T&T back in the day may have had something to do with setting expectations as well. </p><p></p><p>Ultimately, people aren't dissatisfied because nu-T&T is not just like classic T&T. They're dissatisfied because it's nothing like classic T&T. The fact that many old time Delvers have tons of house rules proves that T&T isn't sacrosanct to them, and they can see room for improvement. But some view this as replacement.</p><p></p><p>Of course Rebellion is free to do whatever they want with an IP that they own. Just as we gamers and potential consumers are free to decide it isn't for us. I bear Rebellion no ill will. I don't think they have done anything "wrong." I hope their new version of T&T is wildly successful. I hope they captire the market they're aiming for, and then some. It just isn't my cup of tea. </p><p></p><p>I won't pretend I'm not disappointed, however. I had high hopes for a new edition. Especially since the game languished for years under the stewardship of Webbed Sphere. And though Ken St. Andre has continued publishing Monsters! Monsters!, sister game to T&T, he has also gone all in on AI slop, and has also gone full "email from your Libertarian grandpa." So, I'd rather not spend my money there.</p><p></p><p>Ah, well, I have plenty of T&T stuff to keep me happy. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Deluxe T&T made almost 5 times its goal. Hard to see that as anything but a success.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Some Dude, post: 9811817, member: 6980080"] I can't think of a worse fit for D&D that Traveller. But I feel that way about D&D for anything that isn't... well, D&D. No one is arguing that Rebellion doesn't own T&T, or that they can't do what they like with it. That'd just be silly. It's perfectly natural to compare and even criticiize new editions of classic RPGs, even ones with small fan bases. Thats's been happening since editions became a thing. It isn't new, it isn't uncommon, and it's not unreasonable. Before the latest Talislanta Kickstarter, it was announced that the new edition would be for 5E D&D. There was palpable disappointment. It was only thanks to the OGL debacle that the Epic edition was written using the classic Talislanta rules, with 5E conversions. No one is saying that should or is going to happen here. But T&T old heads' reaction to nu-T&T isn't an abberation. It's perfectly understandable, given that Scott Malthouse has been a big supporter of T&T throughout the years. Rebellion's CEO talking about how much he loved T&T back in the day may have had something to do with setting expectations as well. Ultimately, people aren't dissatisfied because nu-T&T is not just like classic T&T. They're dissatisfied because it's nothing like classic T&T. The fact that many old time Delvers have tons of house rules proves that T&T isn't sacrosanct to them, and they can see room for improvement. But some view this as replacement. Of course Rebellion is free to do whatever they want with an IP that they own. Just as we gamers and potential consumers are free to decide it isn't for us. I bear Rebellion no ill will. I don't think they have done anything "wrong." I hope their new version of T&T is wildly successful. I hope they captire the market they're aiming for, and then some. It just isn't my cup of tea. I won't pretend I'm not disappointed, however. I had high hopes for a new edition. Especially since the game languished for years under the stewardship of Webbed Sphere. And though Ken St. Andre has continued publishing Monsters! Monsters!, sister game to T&T, he has also gone all in on AI slop, and has also gone full "email from your Libertarian grandpa." So, I'd rather not spend my money there. Ah, well, I have plenty of T&T stuff to keep me happy. Deluxe T&T made almost 5 times its goal. Hard to see that as anything but a success. [/QUOTE]
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